Defensive player grabbing the net to pull himself up
 

I was reffing a rec league game tonight and one of the defensive players grabbed the net to pull himself up for no apparent reason, ball was not on the rim nor did he hang on the rim. His team was getting it handed to them
pretty bad so it was more out of frustration. I hit him with a T but I was a little unsure if the hanging on the rim rule also applied to the net as well.

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Strict ruling, yes it's a technical foul

Rule 10
Section 3 PLAYER TECHNICAL
A player shall not:

ART. 3 . . . Grasp either basket at any time during the game except to prevent injury; dunk or stuff, or attempt to dunk or stuff a dead ball.

The net is considered part of the basket, so it can't be grasped except to prevent injury.

Thanks APG

The rule is not "hanging on the rim.". The rule states that it is illegal to grasp the basket when not dunking or to prevent injury.
The net is definitely part of the basket, so although you didn't know the rule, you were correct to penalize this act.

I understand that there rule isn't a rule called "the hanging on the rim rule"
I was under the impression that a site filled with veteran officials would understand what I was referring to, but in the future I will make sure my questions are more detailed and reference the correct rule.

My point was that learning/teaching/using incorrect or sloppy terminology leads to misunderstandings about the rules. In your specific case, had you been taught that the rule was for grasping the basket, you wouldn't have had any doubt that this included hanging on the net. You would have known that action was illegal and never even needed to ask the question which you did.

Take a bit of friendly advice and make a little more effort to adhere to precise terminology when talking about basketball rules, especially with officials and you will be better.

I asked a question i didn't asked to be chastised, if my lack of knowledge irritates you please don't respond. I am in my 4th month of reffing so if I feel a little unsure about certain rules then i'm gonna seek out clarification. No need to be a jerk.

I want no parts of friendly advice from you sir.

Lighten up! Nevada was certainly not being a jerk and certainly DID NOT chastise you. He merely pointed out that HAD YOU BEEN TAUGHT CORRECTLY, you would know the rule and that using correct, precise terminology is part of what separates officials from coaches, players, and fans. We are the arbiter of the rules. Knowing them and how to identify them correctly increases your credibility. This is a great site for a new guy to learn from and Nevada is one of the best, so it is to your advantage to listen to all advice, rules interpretation, and mechanics advice he and other members of this site offer.

Dude, ease up. He's simply explaining the correct terminology and the fact that if you use the correct terminlogy, your question is answered. No need to be offended.

I joined this site to learn from other officials and also pick their brains to help improve my officiating, this is the first thread i have ever started and it will also be the last. Good luck to all of you guys in your careers, and i wish you all much success and good health.

Dude, relax. You gotta have thicker skin than that. It's part of the job anyway.

Rhody, hopefully you'll take a step back then keep coming back. We all have varying amounts of time in this business and we all correct each other regarding terminology and other stuff. When we use incorrect terminology it can cause confusion when we explain situations to coaches and/or players...and each other. Remember: when we go wrong, the game can go wrong.

It may sound harsh since you're new but it's all said with good intentions and with the intent of helping us learn and get better.

Wow. If you're that thin skinned, you won't last long in officiating.

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There Are Plenty Of Other Schools In The Sea ...
 

"Hey Coach. This is the first time that you've challenged my call and it will be the last time that a you challenge my call. Don't expect me to ever work in this gym again. I will be blocking your team on Arbiter as soon as I get home."

Part of learning the rules is learning the correct terminology, pure and simple. If that offends you then don't ask fellow officials to answer your questions, just go straight to the rule book where you don't have to worry about personalities.

You and Duffman should start a revolution.

You 2 never would have survived if these guys were giving you feedback:

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Uh oh, actually a relevant and funny joke by BM. :p

I would like to apologize to nevadaref and everyone else for lashing out on yesterday, I was having a bad day so my emotions may have gotten the best of me. I know this site will be instrumental in my development as an official so I will continue to come here to learn.

Smart man, where else can you get free knowledge & interaction with officials from across the globe all year...

I once T'd up a coach in the first few minutes of the first game of the morning in a summer camp b/c I had a hangover. :o

+1

Been there, done that.

Thanks for posting this.

I think that the "old guard" was too standoffish, but I see their point -- it's a slippery slope once you start putting your arm around a coach or acting buddy-buddy with some of the players. Even at the HS level, I'm certain to sped exactly the same amount of time before the game with each coach, even if I do know one coach extremely well (to the point where I've had beers in the off-season with that coach). On the floor, perception is everything.

RhodyRef:

I am an IAABO Official just like you. Since you don't want Nevada's advice, then take mine. Nevada was correct in correcting you. We are the professionals and experts; using correct terminalogy is what separates us from the "fanboys" and "howler monkeys" and all of the other riff-raff out there.

A good example is a defender "obtains" a LGP in NCAA and FIBA Rules, while in NFHS the defender "establishes" a LGP (even though it was "obtain" in NFHS until about 20 years ago and it was a personal friend and a NFHS Committee Member who pushed for the word be changed from "establish" to "obtain" in both the NCAA and NFHS Rules, but that is another story).

Use correct terminalogy and you significantly reduce the chance of your words coming back to haunt you.

MTD, Sr.

And remember Rhody, spelling counts :D

thanks for the advice mark, I have apologized to nevada for my out burst on yesterday I was having a bad day, but I do understand he was right in correcting me.

To me, the difference between "obtain" and "establish" is the same difference between endline vs. baseline.

The Pigs Are Flying Tonight ...
 

Even if you blindfold him, and spin him around a couple of times, if you give him enough whacks, the kid's eventually going to hit the piñata.

Nah Nah Nah Nah Nah ...
 

"And, I'm taking the basketball home with me".

+1

APG:

I agree with you, but Ed Ferrigno thought that the word "obtain" was a better word than "establish" and was able to convince the NFHS Rules Committee but was never able to convince the NCAA Rules Committee. When discussing NFHS Rules with H.S. officials I still find myself using the word "establish" instead of "obtain".

MTD, Sr.

Weird spellcheck malfunction?