7 points in a championship game....7 dang points?!
 

Just got done watching the Oregon's 5A girls championship game online (our second biggest classification). Final score 16-7....halftime score was 4-0.

The team that lost didn't score their first point until a minute left in the 3Q on a FT. They were just content on passing the ball around the outside and wouldn't even take a shot if it was open....

A game for the ages....lol

Your state sits between CA and Washington, both of which have a shot clock for HS girls basketball. You will now have one next year. Be thankful. ;)

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What really makes no sense to me is, from what I see in news reports, Willamette had lost to Springfield by only three in a game earlier in the season. The coach wasn't exactly showing a lot of confidence in his kids.

One report said the game lasted an hour. I wonder if the officials even had to shower after it was over? :)

That is the main reason why WA went to the shot clock for Girls games a number of years ago. There were too many games like this. Not sure why we added the shot clock on the Boys side, but we have it on both now.

The money isn't there for 3 man/women officiating crews so I don't think a shot clock is on the horizon either....

I do have to say though I've done a ton of high level GV games over the last couple of years and even the worst teams in the worst games still attacked and at least attempted to score. They would put up shots if they were open and no they often didn't go in but at least they attempted to score....more so then I can say for the game I watched last night.

In the summer here, there is a NCAA sanctioned summer tournament and I've been told it's the largest girls tourney in the country. Really good ball and they use NCAA-W rules which include a shot clock. It's fun for officials like me who don't get to use a shot clock at all during the year and I'm surprised since most of the teams come from non-shot clock states how few times the shot clock is an issue.

I still think the game last night was the exception to the rule...or at least I hope it is!

Shot Clock
 

There is currently no plan for Oregon to change to a shot clock.

Remember Oregon still uses two officials crew at even the state championship level games.

It will take a minimum of three years to change the protocal.

T

Washington Girls have used the shot clock for DECADES.

We don't need no stinkin' money...
 

In NYS we use the shot clock for girls and AA boys (our highest level). Other than the few leagues willing to pay for a third official and the later rounds of the playoffs we use two-person crews.

Have no fear. If your leagues want to do it, money is no object! ;)

Here's the link to the story of the game:

Class 5A girls championship: Springfield defeats Willamette 16-7 after Wolverines' stall tactics fail - OregonLive.com

Sounds like the refs could have pulled chairs out onto the court and watched the game sitting down.

One of those refs was an infrequent poster but frequent lurker on this board.

I won't reveal his identity unless he chooses to.

Here is the actual game if anyone wants to have something playing in the background while they sleep. OSAA.tv Video Portal

If I was trying a case for a shot clock, I would simply play a video of the second quarter and rest my case.

The spectators should ask for their money back.

Or we could just watch the Boys 5A championship game that you worked after the snooze fest that was the girls game :D

Congrats BTW!

Imagine the excitement of being assigned to this game, showing up to officiate, and you have to endure THAT?.....yuck!

At least the crew didn't get paid by the whistle...:)

Anyone seen the film of Milan vs Muncie?

Even though White conceded the jump ball to begin the game, would anyone penalize Blue's jumper for catching the toss with one hand and throwing it to a teammate?

Announcer stated that Tyler Pendergast and Bill Draper were the officials, and that this would be the easiest game check that they ever received.

I saw that also. Talk about an omen of things to come. I guess I'm OK with passing on a whistle here. White conceded the tip and I have to think that threw the blue player off enough to cause the violation.

Let down
 

I had never officiated a game where at halftime, I didn't even grab a towel to wipe my forehead of sweat, until now!!!

I was one of the fortunate/unfortunate officials of this game that ended as the lowest scoring game in Oregon State Championship history. I was the lead official during the second quarter and didn't leave from there until approximately 6 seconds left in the quarter. The Springfield coach asked me at one point in time what I thought about it, in which I said "I just don't want to stiffen up just standing here".

Funny one about this is that my partner about 5 minutes into the second quarter asked the ball handler at the mid court area if she had dribbled yet or not because he wasn't quite sure after that amount of elapsed time.

One hour and two minute game and I think I blew my whistle a total of 11 times all game, just an approximate. The tournament director asked if we would like to donate our game check back or at least at a reduced rate, jokingly of course!

It was sad that stripes2255 ended up with this...he had an incredible tourney and could have easily been in the boys game with me or in place of me.

You look forward to a big end of season game when you get the call and the teams give you that! :(

Actionless contest
 

I have thought about this game a bunch since reading the post and watching the 2nd quarter in fast forward. What are your thoughts about calling this game a forfeit due to making the game an actionless contest? Reading the rule below there is nothing specific in the examples, in fact most refer to dead ball situations. Just curious about your thoughts, and Stripes would you have done anything diferently after having a chance to think about it?

Rule: 10-1-5


ART. 5

Allow the game to develop into an actionless contest, this includes the following and similar acts:

a. When the clock is not running consuming a full minute through not being ready when it is time to start either half.

b. Delay the game by preventing the ball from being made promptly live or from being put in play. See 7-5-1 and 8-1-2 for the resumption-of-play procedure to use after a time-out or the intermission between quarters. The procedure is used prior to charging a technical foul in these specific situations.

c. Commit a violation of the throw-in boundary-line plane, as in 9-2-10, after any team warning for delay.

d. Contact with the free thrower or a huddle of two or more players in the lane by either team prior to a free throw following any team warning for delay.

e. Interfering with the ball following a goal after any team warning for delay.

f. Not having the court ready for play following any time-out after any team warning for delay.

Of the six acts listed, which would be even close to what happened in this game?

It's not an official's job to inject himself into areas like this. The current rules allow a team to hold the ball all 8 minutes of each quarter if they like.

There's no rule that prevents a team from not playing basketball by holding the ball for 8 minutes.

No.

If any state wants to do away with this sort of tactic, they can start using a shot clock. The frequency of these games is rare enough that I don't think it's a problem, let alone one worth spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to install shot clocks across any given state.

The only action which possibly could have been taken is having the coaches agree to shorten a quarter. The Trail could have asked if Coach A was going to hold the ball and if Coach B was going to allow it or put on defensive pressure. With the proper info the referee does have the ability to shorten the quarter to prevent everyone from just standing around and waiting. Say put 30 seconds on the clock and just play that.

Not that I would have done this, but it is what I thought of about seven years ago after I officiated a girls postseason contest in which one team held the ball for both the second and third quarters.

Otherwise, there is nothing for the officials to do, but stand there and observe.

Note that ALL of these either occur with the clock stopped or the ball dead. None of them are live ball with the clock running.

many years ago I had a similar situation. At the start of the 3rd quarter, Team A inbounded the ball and held it until 1 minute to play in the quarter.
As soon as they threw the ball in the coach loudly instructed "Hold the ball until 1 minute to play". It was a girls game. Defensive team were doing cheers to pass the time. I was the lead and I had the thought.. "Did A1 dribble? What foot is the pivot foot?" Luckly, as soon as it hit 1 minute, A1 passed the ball.:)

Imagine having to call an illegal dribble after both teams just stood there for five minutes? That would've been hilarious!

Do the girls enjoy this? What would be the purpose of a coach employing such a strategy, especially with his team behind?

Somebody had the under?

BV, years ago. Kid holding for one shot in the last minute of the half wiped the bottom of one shoe............then the other. Yes, this really happened.

Did you call traveling?
In the spirit of the rule, did he actually do anything wrong?:rolleyes: YES!

The basketball gods don't look too kindly on this brand of "basketball." ;)

I thought it was a given that I called it.