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Mark Padgett Tue Mar 06, 2012 01:18pm

Basketball only?
 
Just wondering, in general, what other sports are also officiated by those of us who work basketball. I know lots of you mention working other sports in your posts, but I'd be curious to know who officiates the most other sports.

Personally, I do only basketball, although when I was a teenager (about 3 or 4 centuries ago), I umpired a park district baseball league for 11 and 12 year olds back in my home town. I think I got 75 cents per game (not kidding) which was probably above minimum wage back then. Only one guy worked each game and we stood behind the pitcher.

Oh yeah, a few years ago I "refereed" a croquet match. It was a charity event and I mostly ruled on whether a ball touched another ball or not and also walked around with a bullhorn (like I needed one) and gave a commentary to the spectators. It was a real great event and raised a lot of money for the local Lions Club camp for the blind. It was staged as a proper British type event and all the participants (who were Lions Club members and senior citizens) wore white straw hats and ate cucumber sandwiches and lemonade. I was more than happy to donate my time and effort.

Rich Tue Mar 06, 2012 01:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 830253)
Just wondering, in general, what other sports are also officiated by those of us who work basketball. I know lots of you mention working other sports in your posts, but I'd be curious to know who officiates the most other sports.

Personally, I do only basketball, although when I was a teenager (about 3 or 4 centuries ago), I umpired a park district baseball league for 11 and 12 year olds back in my home town. I think I got 75 cents per game (not kidding) which was probably above minimum wage back then. Only one guy worked each game and we stood behind the pitcher.

Oh yeah, a few years ago I "refereed" a croquet match. It was a charity event and I mostly ruled on whether a ball touched another ball or not and also walked around with a bullhorn (like I needed one) and gave a commentary to the spectators. It was a real great event and raised a lot of money for the local Lions Club camp for the blind. It was staged as a proper British type event and all the participants (who were Lions Club members and senior citizens) wore white straw hats and ate cucumber sandwiches and lemonade. I was more than happy to donate my time and effort.

I started umpiring when I was a teenager the same way. Behind the pitcher. I think that was about 1983, when I was 13 years old. We got $5 a game to do that.

Baseball and football for me. I used to do softball, but gave it up when I realized I really despise most everything about the game.

JeroenB Tue Mar 06, 2012 01:45pm

Started as a baseball (and occasionally softball) umpire about 6-7 years ago, but since I started basketball 3 years ago that is getting my core 'business' more and more.

Rich Tue Mar 06, 2012 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by JeroenB (Post 830264)
Started as a baseball (and occasionally softball) umpire about 6-7 years ago, but since I started basketball 3 years ago that is getting my core 'business' more and more.

What part of the Netherlands are you from? I've been over 6-7 to Apeldoorn to umpire baseball. Haven't been since 2010 and need to get back soon.

Welpe Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:03pm

I started by umpiring baseball when I was 13. I did that several years but quit during college. I picked up football after college and then basketball a few years ago.

I want to get back into baseball but can't justify working three sports so I need to figure out what I'm going to do.

I have a friend that calls football, basketball and lacrosse. Last year he also did Volleyball in the fall, called basketball for three different chapters and also did softball in addition to lacrosse in the spring. I'm not sure when he actually saw his family...

dsqrddgd909 Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:07pm

Basketball only. Took a hard look at doing Lacrosse, but passed. Even after three training sessions, I still felt totally clueless.

Raymond Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 830265)
What part of the Netherlands are you from? I've been over 6-7 to Apeldoorn to umpire baseball. Haven't been since 2010 and need to get back soon.

Hey, I'm a Dutch basketball ref also, how come you don't ask me where I'm from? :D

My mother is Dutch and I was born in Amsterdam. Haven't been there though since I was stationed in Germany ('90-93). It seems baseball has gotten pretty big there in comparison to other European countries.

BillyMac Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:09pm

Why Can't I See The Submarines BillyMac ???
 
When I was in college I used to take my dates to a parking spot at the beach to referee the submarine races that the Navy held there every Friday, and Saturday, night. No pay, but it was worth the effort, if you know what I mean.

MD Longhorn Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:18pm

Softball is my main sport. I also do baseball and football, but that is waning.

stiffler3492 Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:19pm

I just do basketball for now. I think football or baseball, maybe slow pitch softball would be next.

Raymond Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:25pm

Oh, and to stay on-topic, I only do basketball.

Only other sport I think I would ever consider is lacrosse.

Mark Padgett Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:40pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 830274)
When I was in college I used to take my dates to a parking spot at the beach to referee the submarine races that the Navy held there every Friday, and Saturday, night. No pay, but it was worth the effort, if you know what I mean.

Did you call reaches and over the back, or did she just call the cops and have you arrested for illegal use of hands? :p

Hugh Refner Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:44pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 830286)
Did you call reaches and over the back, or did she just call the cops and have you arrested for illegal use of hands? :p

Actually, he probably wanted a blarge. :D

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Tue Mar 06, 2012 02:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 830286)
Did you call reaches and over the back, or did she just call the cops and have you arrested for illegal use of hands? :p


I officiate basketball (H.S. and youth age since 1971 to the present; women's college from 1974 to 2008; men's college from 1993- to present; USA Basketball/FIBA from 1993 to 2003).

I umpire H.S. (and youth age) baseball (1993 to the present).

I umpire H.S. (and ASA, USSSA) fastpitch softball (1993 to the present).

I offciated that un-American sport of H.S. futbol, :eek:, from 1993 to 2006 (and USSA/FIFA from 1993 to 1997).

Basketball will always be my first sport, but I really wish that I had taken up umpiring baseball about 20 years sooner becuase I really enjoy it almost as much as I do officiating basketball.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. Mark, Jr., has been officiating basketball and umpiring baseball since 2007 and has been umpiring ASA and USSSA fastpitch softball since 2007.

OrStBballRef Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:03pm

Basketball is my primary sport...back in college I did basketball, football and baseball/softball. Football if I had stuck with it I would have been pretty good at it over time, but I can say this with regards to baseball/softball I was an awful ump. Truely awful. Maddening inconsistent strike zone and too many close calls missed in the field. I need the action going constantly to keep me 'engaged' and baseball never did that for me.

I may go back and restart football this fall if I can work out some childcare plans as I do think I would enjoy it and the association in my area needs younger officials (at least what I've been told).

fullor30 Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 830274)
When I was in college I used to take my dates to a parking spot at the beach to referee the submarine races that the Navy held there every Friday, and Saturday, night. No pay, but it was worth the effort, if you know what I mean.

They had don't ask, don't tell back then?

Lcubed48 Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:25pm

I'm just starting to do FP softball. The training class is over, and now it's on to the scrimmages if the weather will permit. I'm looking at it as training for my retirement (next year if all goes well) job.

JugglingReferee Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:47pm

Lemonade, that cool refreshing drink.


I work fb and lacrosse. I was recruited for baseball, but we'll see if I join.

JeroenB Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:47pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 830265)
What part of the Netherlands are you from? I've been over 6-7 to Apeldoorn to umpire baseball. Haven't been since 2010 and need to get back soon.

I'm from Haarlem. What tournament/game did you work in Apeldoorn?

JeroenB Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 830273)
Hey, I'm a Dutch basketball ref also, how come you don't ask me where I'm from? :D

My mother is Dutch and I was born in Amsterdam. Haven't been there though since I was stationed in Germany ('90-93). It seems baseball has gotten pretty big there in comparison to other European countries.

Yeah it is, world champs uhuh :D

Mark Padgett Tue Mar 06, 2012 03:58pm

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 830290)
I officiate basketball (H.S. and youth age since 1971 to the present; MTD, Sr.

Mark (love that name), I've got you slightly beat on earliest officiating date since I worked that park district kids baseball program starting in the summer of 1962 (when I was 13). However, I only did it for three summers. I remember one manager named "Tubby". He was about 20 and one of his younger brothers played on his team. One game, I had to explain the infield fly rule to him after a call and the entire time he was eating licorice and kept slobbering with it dribbling down his shirt. It kind of set the tone for my future impressions of coaches.

JRutledge Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:09pm

I work football and baseball. I will not work a single baseball game this year (I am debating if I will come back at all). Funny I have worked more State Finals in those two sports than I have in basketball.

Peace

truerookie Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:10pm

Basketball Only for me.

Welpe Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 830318)
I work football and baseball. I will not work a single baseball game this year (I am debating if I will come back at all). Funny I have worked more State Finals in those two sports than I have in basketball.

Peace

What drove your decision to take a year off from baseball? I'm just curious since I'm considering something similar but not with baseball.

rockyroad Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:25pm

Basketball is the only sport I officiate. I coach football and track (long jump and triple jump). Never had any desire to officiate any other sport except for wrestling, but that's at the same time as basketball, so that never happened.

BillyMac Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:46pm

So You're The Guy Who Started This Stupid Concept ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 830253)
Walked around with a bullhorn and gave a commentary to the spectators.

I didn't know that there was And One Croquet.

BillyMac Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:53pm

No Thank You ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 830290)
I really wish that I had taken up umpiring baseball about 20 years sooner because I really enjoy it almost as much as I do officiating basketball.

99 degrees in the shade? Wind blown dust in your face? Sitting out thunderstorms in the dugout? Games with no clock that go on for hours, and hours? Getting sunburned in extra inning games? Coaches spitting tobacco juice on your shoes? Fans, including the cop behind the backstop, threatening to, "Kill the umpire"? Oh yeah? Sure sounds like a picnic in the park to me?

BillyMac Tue Mar 06, 2012 04:56pm

And The Winner Is ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 830293)
They had don't ask, don't tell back then?

The girls kept asking me where the submarines were, and I keep telling them that they were underwater. Some of them believed me. Those were the dates that ended well.

grunewar Tue Mar 06, 2012 06:45pm

Basketball only for me.

I average about 150 games a yr and can go almost all season....although some months are slim.

Basketball = wife happy, hubby out of house making money and doing something he likes.

More sports = wife probably NOT happy with hubby as he would be gone TOO much and not taking care of house, yard, cars, dogs, etc.

A good balance for me, and my wife, to date. Thankfully, my kids are grown.

Jeremy Hohn Tue Mar 06, 2012 07:13pm

Basketball Only. It is literally year round for me now. :o

Welpe Tue Mar 06, 2012 08:13pm

Grune, I wouldn't have time for more than one sport if I worked that many games. I put in less games over two sports. I was just under 100 last year between football and basketball.

Terrapins Fan Tue Mar 06, 2012 08:15pm

I only do basketball, but in the past, I did soccer because my son played and they needed officials. I took a 1 day course and viola, instant ref.

That lasted about 2 seasons, thank goodness.

bainsey Tue Mar 06, 2012 08:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 830309)
Lemonade, that cool refreshing drink.

Eddie Murphy doing Elvis, right? Ha ha, very funny, m......

Anyway, just finished seventh year of basketball, been doing soccer for four. (I'm advancing much quicker in soccer than in basketball.) I also work a summer co-ed, non-competitive slow-pitch softball league, which is undoubtedly the least serious work I do. I tried high/middle school softball for two years, but I didn't enjoy it much.

I still have my old fast-pitch gear, which I haven't sold yet.

cmhjordan23 Tue Mar 06, 2012 08:37pm

I officiate soccer in addition to basketball. Everybody always asks me which sport I like better. I tell them whatever sport is in season. By the end of basketball, looking for a change of pace and soccer starts. I truly enjoy both sports.

shavano Tue Mar 06, 2012 08:49pm

I am in my 8th year of HS and college soccer, and rejoining the umpire ranks this spring after a 25 year hiatus.

I'm of the same mindset as cmhjordan, I enjoy whichever sport is in season.

My other career is pretty sedentary, so officiating year-round keeps me active. :cool:

Adam Tue Mar 06, 2012 09:47pm

Just hoops for me, although the wife is asking if I'm going to pick up another sport. As familiar as I am with basketball rules, that's how clueless I am in other sports. That's probably why I hesitate.

La Rikardo Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:25pm

Soccer is my main sport. I took up basketball this winter to make the soccer offseason more bearable. I like officiating basketball a lot, but soccer will always be my love. I'm a fairly regular poster in the soccer referees forum mentioned in this post, though I didn't post on that particular thread.

La Rikardo Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:27pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830358)
Just hoops for me, although the wife is asking if I'm going to pick up another sport. As familiar as I am with basketball rules, that's how clueless I am in other sports. That's probably why I hesitate.

Soccer laws are far easier to understand and apply than basketball rules. Give soccer a try.

Mark Padgett Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:59pm

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Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 830364)
Soccer laws are far easier to understand and apply than basketball rules. Give soccer a try.



Can't - I don't read metric.

chymechowder Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:02am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830358)
Just hoops for me, although the wife is asking if I'm going to pick up another sport.

Sounds like she's trying to get you out of the house! :eek:

La Rikardo Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:13am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 830369)
Can't - I don't read metric.

Actually, the Laws use Imperial units, mainly yards.

Adam Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:16am

Quote:

Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 830364)
Soccer laws are far easier to understand and apply than basketball rules. Give soccer a try.

When the communists take over and outlaw all the real sports? That's when I'll give soccre a try.

La Rikardo Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:25am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830375)
When the communists take over and outlaw all the real sports? That's when I'll give soccre a try.

Ouch.

Adam Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:34am

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Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 830379)
Ouch.

Sorry, forgot the smiley again. ;)

grunewar Wed Mar 07, 2012 05:10am

Gotcha...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 830349)
Grune, I wouldn't have time for more than one sport if I worked that many games..

Well, about 80 are compressed into the Jan-Mar time frame, and the remaining are more comfortably spread out through the year.

Obviously, this is a personal decision. My job is not conducive to a greater overload and I choose to stay home and not be away more.

BillyMac Wed Mar 07, 2012 07:10am

Take Off Your Shoes And Socks And Count ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 830364)
Give soccer a try.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 830369)
I don't read metric.

Metric soccer is easy. Everything is based on the number ten. Season lasts ten weeks. Field is ten meters long. Ten players per team. Ten centimeter diameter ball. Ten panels on the ball. Ten minute halves. Ten spikes on each shoe. All players are number ten. Ten fans in the bleachers. Officials get ten dollars per game.

jeschmit Wed Mar 07, 2012 09:30am

Basketball is my bread and butter, but I currently work baseball, softball and football as well.

I started IM basketball 8 years ago, HS 5 years ago, women's college 3 years ago. I started HS baseball and softball 4 years ago, but I am looking to get out of those two sports now that basketball is becoming more of a year-round sport... However, I will stick to keeping HS football (which I started last fall) since I have really enjoyed being on the football field.

mj Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:26am

Started with basketball. Picked up softball and baseball because the local AD told me I come to watch every game anyway I may as well get paid. Later on picked up football when a basketball mentor of mine said they need guys for Friday nights.

Love basketball especially this time of the year. Football a solid second. Baseball and softball a distant third due to the weather in my neck of the woods.

Hugh Refner Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 830396)
Metric soccer is easy. Everything is based on the number ten.

Season lasts ten weeks.
Field is ten meters long.
Ten players per team.
Ten centimeter diameter ball.
Ten panels on the ball.
Ten minute halves.
Ten spikes on each shoe.
All players are number ten.
Ten fans in the bleachers.
Officials get ten dollars per game.

Do you realize you listed ten points? BTW - are those metric dollars?

Sapper33 Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:45am

Fastpitch softball is my preference. Do BB to have something to do in the winter.

zm1283 Wed Mar 07, 2012 11:49am

I just finished my fifth year of basketball. This is my fourth full year of being a "real" baseball umpire. (Did some park league games for several years before that) I did softball for two seasons, but started coaching football this past fall, so I gave that up. It was worth it though since our football team won a state championship in 2011. :)

Welpe Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by zm1283 (Post 830470)
I just finished my fifth year of basketball. This is my fourth full year of being a "real" baseball umpire. (Did some park league games for several years before that) I did softball for two seasons, but started coaching football this past fall, so I gave that up. It was worth it though since our football team won a state championship in 2011. :)

Ah! That explains why you give us football officials so much crap. :p And congrats on the state championship.

bainsey Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:11pm

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Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 830372)
Actually, the Laws use Imperial units, mainly yards.

Right. I'm sure there's a ton of grumbling worldwide about having to measure 9.14 meters for the center circle or 16.46 meters for the penalty area.

Then again, they already have to do it with basketball: 4.57m from free throw line to backboard, 3.05m high for the rim...

Scuba_ref Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:05pm

You can do it!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 830358)
Just hoops for me, although the wife is asking if I'm going to pick up another sport. As familiar as I am with basketball rules, that's how clueless I am in other sports. That's probably why I hesitate.


I started in bball and then moved over to football. My only experience with football prior to officiating was as a fan. The football guys were very encouraging - many of them do bball also. They told me that it is far easier for a bball official to move to football than the opposite. Bball teaches you game management and decision making at high speed - which translates well to other sports.<O:p</O:p
<O:p</O:p

Now while the football rule set is one of the hardest to adjudicate; the game awareness and presence that a good bball official brings to the game is very hard to learn and gives you an immediate leg up.

You could pick a sport and do well officiating -well maybe not hockey because I've heard that you actually need to be able to skate!:D<O:p</O:p

Mark Padgett Wed Mar 07, 2012 01:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by La Rikardo (Post 830372)
Actually, the Laws use Imperial units, mainly yards.

I find it hard to relate to a sport that refers to its rules as "laws". Seems quite pretentious to me.

La Rikardo Wed Mar 07, 2012 04:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 830529)
I find it hard to relate to a sport that refers to its rules as "laws". Seems quite pretentious to me.

Take that up with the British. I claim no responsibility. ;)

bainsey Wed Mar 07, 2012 05:50pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 830529)
I find it hard to relate to a sport that refers to its rules as "laws". Seems quite pretentious to me.

Name me a sport that doesn't have strange wording somewhere within it.

Hugh Refner Wed Mar 07, 2012 06:36pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 830635)
Name me a sport that doesn't have strange wording somewhere within it.

Tug-of-war.


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