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Nominate your favorite. Federation rules . . .
Mine is: Shooter upfakes (good! it's about time someone learned how to play) and gets defender into the air. The Defender has leapt high and slightly forward, towards the shooter. The shooter then moves towards the defender, insuring s/he will be crashed in to. This _always_ goes against the defender, and it shouldn't. You have the right to come down on any spot on the floor that was unoccupied when you took off. The defense is always getting the short end of the stick . . . 
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 If the shooter wasn't in the "unoccupied" space when the defender left his feet,it's not illegal contact on the defender if the shooter then moves into that space after the defender left his feet,is it?How can the defender cause illegal contact in this particular case that JeffRef spelled out? Doesn't the same principle that governs the airborne shooter call(gotta be there before the shooter leaves his feet)also govern the shooter's actions?
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"The defense is always getting the short end of the stick . . ."
Yup. Nick the quick got this call on several occasions in recent NBA playoffs, and Reggie Miller has drawn this call 100's, maybe 1000's of times. The worst variation is when he kicks out at the defender (well outside Reggie's vertical plane) and still gets the call even though he clearly intitiated contact. Quote:
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And that's in the NBA rule book too - the book specifically states that in this case, the foul is to be charged to the offense - yet it nearly always goes against the defense. I've seen it called correctly ONCE.
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The call most often missed is the T on the coach for general principles. I make it a point to go over this in pre-game.
The second most missed call is not calling the automatic foul on a defender if a shooter is putting up a shot in the last second of a tie game. 
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If the defender jumps straight up and straight down and the offensive player jumps into his vertical space I believe it should be a no call or offensive foul depending on the severity of the contact. However, 98% of the time when a defender is contesting a jump shot, he jumps forward towards the ball. And when he does this prematurely, such as reacting to a good ball fake, and the offensive player now draws the contact I believe a defensive foul should be called since the defender is now illegal, i.e.- not jumping within his vertical plane. This is my philosophy on jump shot plays, now I believe it is totally different on drives to the basket. Many times the center will jump straight up and straight down on these plays simply to protect the basket.
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eroe, there is no requirement that a defender
only jump 'within' his vertical plane'. Good defense would take a mighty hit were that the case. If the defender jumps first, s/he has the right to come down on any spot that was unoccupied at the moment of takeoff. This doesn't have to involve a player in control. A great example is an inbounds pass from the baseline out beyond the 3 point line. It's not unusual for the offense player to leap forward for the ball and for a defender to move into the landing spot.
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My pet peeve is officials waving off the shot after a foul is committed and not allowing the "continuation".
I have seen countless examples over the past year of a shooter having begun his "motion" and then the official waving the shot off "on the floor!" Aaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhhhh!!!!!!!! One game example.... The shooter drove to the basket, picked up the ball in his "motion", was hit, took one step, and layed the ball up. Tweet! "On the floor!" Says my partner. So during a break, I mentioned the play to him (big mistake, this guy was not up for suggestions) during a timeout. I said that I thought the shot should have counted because the shooter should have been allowed to continue his shooting motion. The guy says, "well, he was fouled as he was bringing the ball up." Aaaaarrrrrgggggghhhhhh!!!!!! He even doomed himself by his own explanation! Anyway, that's my pet peeve. 
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One of the most common calls I see missed is the jump stop that's really a jump skip. Player pitter-patters instead of landing on both feet simultaneously.
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If the defender jumps and is in the path of the airborne shooter, then the defender has to be "straight up", or within his vertical plane. You can't just jump in someone's way, have a collision and say, "Well, I jumped first". You need to re-think the paragraph you wrote above.
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