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HokiePaul Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:40am

I see this is an old post, but I had a similar situation (with one notable difference) come up the other day.

This happened between 3rd/4th quarter, but like the OP, we basically had a shot as time expired followed by an unsporting T. The difference is that we had a foul on the shooter instead of a made basket. Then, an unsporting T.

My partner and I administered both the shooting foul and the technical foul free throws in the 3rd quarter, and then went to the AP to start the 4th.

Our thinking was that the quarter had not ended because we still had free throws to administer. The case play referenced in this thread did not apply because the technical had not occurred "after the ball was dead to end the quarter" - it would be dead to end the quarter following the last free throw.

Further, (based on Rule 5.6.2) we considered the Technical to be "related activity" that had to be penalized and completed before the quarter officially ended. Since no part of any penalty carries over, we started the 4th quarter with the AP throw in.

Curious whether others agree with how we administered this.

OKREF Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:52am

I'm shooting the free throws after the halftime, and team A gets the ball at the half court for the throw in.

HawkeyeCubP Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by HokiePaul (Post 915485)
I see this is an old post, but I had a similar situation (with one notable difference) come up the other day.

This happened between 3rd/4th quarter, but like the OP, we basically had a shot as time expired followed by an unsporting T. The difference is that we had a foul on the shooter instead of a made basket. Then, an unsporting T.

My partner and I administered both the shooting foul and the technical foul free throws in the 3rd quarter, and then went to the AP to start the 4th.

Our thinking was that the quarter had not ended because we still had free throws to administer. The case play referenced in this thread did not apply because the technical had not occurred "after the ball was dead to end the quarter" - it would be dead to end the quarter following the last free throw.

Further, (based on Rule 5.6.2) we considered the Technical to be "related activity" that had to be penalized and completed before the quarter officially ended. Since no part of any penalty carries over, we started the 4th quarter with the AP throw in.

Curious whether others agree with how we administered this.

I agree with how you administered this. The ball hasn't become dead for the last time after time has expired in the period until the last FT has ended for the foul that was part of the period.

Adam Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OKREF (Post 915487)
I'm shooting the free throws after the halftime, and team A gets the ball at the half court for the throw in.

In HokiePaul's situation, the T is called prior to the end of the 2nd quarter. Penalties do not carry over, so you'd start the 3rd quarter with the AP.

Welpe Sat Dec 21, 2013 06:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adam (Post 915494)
In HokiePaul's situation, the T is called prior to the end of the 2nd quarter. Penalties do not carry over, so you'd start the 3rd quarter with the AP.

I think OKREF is talking about the OP since he mentions half-time. HokiePaul's situation happened at the end of the 3rd Q.

Adam Sat Dec 21, 2013 06:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 915544)
I think OKREF is talking about the OP since he mentions half-time. HokiePaul's situation happened at the end of the 3rd Q.

Oh, never mind. Reading too fast between phone calls has consequences.

bob jenkins Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:05pm

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Originally Posted by Adam (Post 915545)
Oh, never mind. Reading too fast between phone calls has consequences.

Easy to do when someone resurrects a thread from 10 (or more) months ago.


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