First Technical - Anticlimactic

[tref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Unless all your games are in the D-League I don't see how George's advice applies to what you should be doing with your scholastic crews.

For me, I'm trying to leave the court area as a crew. So if I'm at the far end I'm going to jog til I reach my partner(s). If I'm closer to the exit I will walk briskly to the nearest boundary line and look to see where the rest of my crew is and wait.

But I'm sure as heck not going stroll 94' to the other end of the court when my partners are waiting on me. And if the reason you make your crew wait for you to walk that far is because Mr. Tolliver told you to, then that's called "big-timing", IMHO.

No I'm not working D-League games. BUT when learning to bake a cake who shall I allow to teach me... The neighborhood lady or Sara Lee??

That's the problem, people want to be critical of where the information comes from instead of being open to it. Everything the Pros do can be applied at all levels.

Different rules, floor mechanics & signals... YES.
But at the end of the day, as long as the rims are 10' & they play 5 on 5 & the FT line is 15' & we have boundary lines... BASKETBALL IS BASKETBALL.

To be quite honest, until I started getting the top notch info my scholastic career was quite lame. I also didnt work any college or pro levels. The season after I went to the D-League camp (nope didnt get hired obviously) I applied the info that I obtained & got to R a State C'Ship in year 4. All my other opportunities came that summer.
That's no coincidence

FTR, big timing isnt even a thought process, but you will either get on board with the program or get left behind.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by tref

Got to R a State C'Ship in year 4.

Seems it never rains in southern California.

Sorry tref. I couldn't resist.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

No I'm not working D-League games. BUT when learning to bake a cake who shall I allow to teach me... The neighborhood lady or Sara Lee??

That's the problem, people want to be critical of where the information comes from instead of being open to it. Everything the Pros do can be applied at all levels.

Different rules, floor mechanics & signals.
But at the end of the day, as long as the rims are 10' & they play 5 on 5 & the FT line is 15' & we have boundary lines... BASKETBALL IS BASKETBALL.

To be quite honest, until I started getting the top notch info my scholastic career was quite lame. I also didnt work any college or pro levels. The season after I went to the D-League camp (nope didnt get hired obviously) I applied the info that I obtained & got to R a State C'Ship in year 4.
That's no coincidence

FTR, big timing isnt even a thought process, but you will either get on board with the program or get left behind.

You are going find that some supervisors don't think everything the NBA does is right or should be applied to their games. And do you think I'm going to be left behind if I don't get my mentoring from George Tolliver or other NBA employees? One thing I've learned from guys who work in the venues I aspire to work is that you need to remember where and for whom you are working every night.

You're last few post are most definitely examples of big-timing. George Tolliver is from VA. I know many, many officials who have been through his camps--D-League, as well as the instructional camp he used to hold in Harrisonburg every year. None of these officials have ever invoked Tolliver's name as a reason to do something.

If you try to get in the Horizon or Summit or Big Ten or Great Lakes Valley Conference and you are told by an evaluator that the supervisor wants his officials to jog off the court together after every game do really think that you should continue to walk off the court b/c George Tolliver told you so in his camp?

[tref]

I know how to adjust to give a particular assignor what they want on that particular night.
I do it quite often, at each level. They don't want ticky tack b/c fouls in the ABA so I don't call em. One JUCO assignor wants the C to stand at the 3 point line looking down on FTs, my other JUCO assignor doesn't like it. So I adjust.

I know a few Forum members that are getting the same info that I get. Now I see why they choose to speak about it in PMs instead of publicly. When I post these things all Im doing is sharing million dollar info for free.
Like most info, we take it or leave it...

As for your big tliming reference, I was simply sharing how applying NBA techniques/thought process has steepened my personal learning curve, which in turn has created opportunities at other levels as well as moved me to the head of the class at the level I currently work. That's all! Before I opened my mind to these practices I had a 17 game varsity schedule heavy on the girls side.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

... Now I see why they choose to speak about it in PMs instead of publicly. When I post these things all Im doing is sharing million dollar info for free.
Like most info, we take it or leave it...

I know guys who work for George Tolliver and I know guys who work for Donnie Vaden. A fair amount of the posters here know a big-name or 2 or 3 who have given them valuable information that they have in turn passed on to the forum.

Nothing wrong with sharing information. Might want to take a look at your delivery. Most definitely should take a second look at name-dropping. Quite often it's not only the audience who minds, but the name you are dropping who does as well.

[tref]

No worries, I won't be sharing ANYthing here ANYmore. I'll let it slide down to the college ranks & then guys will buy in when the information finally makes it to the HS level in about a decade or so
You know, sorta like RSBQ is just now being talked about & accepted in HS but has been around for quite a few years.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

No worries, I won't be sharing ANYthing here ANYmore. I'll let it slide down to the college ranks & then guys will buy in when the information finally makes it to the HS level in about a decade or so
You know, sorta like RSBQ is just now being talked about & accepted in HS but has been around for quite a few years.

I guess everybody who is not in the NBA system or radar never has access to NBA information.

Yeah, always takes years for stuff to slide down from the NBA. ( redux) Nevermind that John Guthrie and Ronnie Nunn were best of friends. Or that NBA refs have been dual-hatted as NCAA conference supervisors. Or that D-League and WNBA officials also work college schedules and as observers at college and high school camps. Or that Joe Forte and Nolan Fine are regulars on the camp circuit. Or that an obscure NCAA official in the DC area is a valued evaluator for the NBA.

Nope, us peons working only NCAA and HS ball will never be enlightened to NBA wisdom unless we are on the tref's PM list.

[tref]

Really? I've seen others get bent outta shape here, but never YOU. Hell, I'm a peon too if thats the case. The thickest part of my schedule is HS!

Is the season still ongoing in VA?

BTW, you just dropped a ton of names... I hope they dont get upset

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tref

No worries, I won't be sharing ANYthing here ANYmore. I'll let it slide down to the college ranks & then guys will buy in when the information finally makes it to the HS level in about a decade or so
You know, sorta like RSBQ is just now being talked about & accepted in HS but has been around for quite a few years.

Now I know you're not that thin skinned.

All I was going to say is that I was going to start taking a drink everytime I read a cliche from you. But if I did, between that, Billy's mythbuster photos, Mark's hot mom jokes, and MTD's State University of Ohio cheers, I'd be drunk every night.

I honestly doubt we look that different when leaving the court; as long as you don't head for the table or chase down the ball, we'll meet pretty quickly as we approach the door off the court.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

But if I did, between that, Billy's mythbuster photos, Mark's hot mom jokes, and MTD's State University of Ohio cheers, I'd be drunk every night.

Snaqwells: Say hello to your liver for me.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by tref

When I post these things all Im doing is sharing million dollar info for free.
Like most info, we take it or leave it...

...I'll take it, keep it coming!

(Doesn't mean I'll use everthing...but, I'm always open to different insights and/or a little healthy debate)

EDIT: BTW tref...I'm not a sprinter off the court, nor a slow walker off the court....more of a "brisk walker" off the court, unless situations dictate otherwise.

[rwest]

No one's mentioned the final responsibility that the R has to do before leaving the floor and that is to finalize the book. Now this doesn't have to be a formal process but it does need to be done. You don't have to go to the table. You don't have to sign the book. This needs to be part of the R's pregame with the table. Let them know that you are leaving the court as soon as the game is over. If they have a problem with the book, they need to inform you. You might even say that I will look at the table and if I don't see you waving me over, then I'm out of there. Of course this is more important on a close game. At the conclusion of a blow out there's no need for this.

[tref]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...I'll take it, keep it coming!

(Doesn't mean I'll use everthing...but, I'm always open to different insights and/or a little healthy debate)

EDIT: BTW tref...I'm not a sprinter off the court, nor a slow walker off the court....more of a "brisk walker" off the court, unless situations dictate otherwise.

My man!

Originally Posted by rwest

No one's mentioned the final responsibility that the R has to do before leaving the floor and that is to finalize the book. Now this doesn't have to be a formal process but it does need to be done. You don't have to go to the table. You don't have to sign the book. This needs to be part of the R's pregame with the table. Let them know that you are leaving the court as soon as the game is over. If they have a problem with the book, they need to inform you. You might even say that I will look at the table and if I don't see you waving me over, then I'm out of there. Of course this is more important on a close game. At the conclusion of a blow out there's no need for this.

I tell them I'll give a thumbs up as I'm briskly WALKING by & if all is well I expect them to hit me back with the same.

[Toren]

Personally it depends for me

If I'm on the far end of the court, I will give a quick step, even a jog, to catch up with my partners who are much closer to the exit.

If I'm closer to the door, then I walk to the exit and then look back and await my partner.

I use to walk towards my partners when I was closer to the door and then walk out as a crew, but my damn partners would walk faster than me and now I'm the dummy jogging to catch up with their quick steps