Dribble or not
 

Can a player place the ball on the floor beside him/her ,then pick up the ball and start to dribble

What did the player do while the ball was on the floor?

No. And who would do that?

The Globetrotters?

Why not? Wouldn't this be classified a fumble?

Can fumble-dribble-fumble, correct?

Isnt a fumble done accidentaly? The OP sounds as if the player placed the ball down on purpose. Not saying this is illegal, just that it isnt a fumble.

It's also not a dribble, so I'm not sure what would prevent it provided the player doesn't do something else illegal (such as get up or move the pivot foot) while the ball is on the floor.

I agree... until bob provides some proof, that is.

Assuming a player is on the floor:

Set the ball down, get up, pick up the ball and start dribbling: TRAVEL.

Set the ball down, roll over, pick up the ball and start dribbling: LEGAL.

See case play:


4.44.5 SITUATION B:

A1 dives for a loose ball and slides after gaining control. A1 is in a position either on his/her back or stomach. What can A1 do without *violating?

RULING: A1 may pass, shoot, start a dribble or call a time-out. Once A1 has the ball and is no longer sliding, he/she may not roll over. If flat on his/her back, A1 may sit up without violating. Any attempt to get to the feet is *traveling unless A1 is dribbling. It is also traveling if A1 puts the ball on the floor, then rises and is first to touch the ball. (4-44-5b)

Right, you're agreeing with me. :)

In my second case, the player does NOT get up.

Wouldn't the player have to rollover again to pickup the ball?

Maybe so, but that case is establishing the principle that a player is not allowed to subvert the travel rule by setting the ball down on the floor then moving in a way to gain an advantage (i.e., get a more advantageous position) that would be traveling had they continued to hold the ball.

If they set the ball down, roll over, then pick it back up in a position that is more favorable, I'm calling traveling.

Is this situation legal or not
the player is standing up , and just puts the ball on the floor with no defense around guarding

Huh? Missing some elements of what I think you are asking plus adding one that has nothing to do with the play.

Are you asking if a player who is sitting down can put the ball on the floor, stand up, and then pick up the ball again? The "defense" part is irrelavent.

Here's part of the comment on the definition of dribbling in the NFHS case book, 4-15:

"...It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once."

So...it would appear from the comment that once A1 lets go of the ball A1 has dribbled, meaning A1 cannot pick up the ball and dribble again.

Hmmmmm Not according to 4-15-3

I took that into account with my post. I based my answer on what's in the comment on the rule. The two definitely seem contradictory but then again I'm guessing the rules makers didn't consider a scenario like this.

Setting the ball on the floor is only a problem if the player gets up in the middle of the process; because the rules makers didn't want players taking advantage of a loophole. Otherwise, I see nothing wrong with it because it doesn't create an advantage of any kind and it's not specifically disallowed. Unless I'm missing something, which is possible.

Good point, but I'm still passing on this play (if ever applicable) due to the fact that placing the ball on the floor isnt the same as pushing, throwing, batting the ball to the floor. Just my opinion.

That's cool.

Now as I play weather vane :) , the other thought that comes to mind is to travel a player has to have control. A player has control when - among other things - he/she is holding or dribbling a live ball. In the OP the player isn't doing either of those but they don't appear to have completely given up the ball, either.

Yet another hmmmmmmm.