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The_Rookie Mon Feb 06, 2012 10:57am

Hats off to our brother officials in Football
 
Hats off to a the officiating crew who worked the Superbowl...They made some great calls including "THE CATCH" and the safety in the end zone on the grounding call!

When a great job is done by any sports officials especailly on a HIGH PROFILE Big staged event...It helps make the entire officiating brotherhood look good for all sports!

tw1ns Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:23am

The goal of every official. To NOT be noticed. Great job last night by the crew!

Adam Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:28am

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Originally Posted by tw1ns (Post 820644)
The goal of every official. To NOT be noticed.

No, it's not.

Rich Mon Feb 06, 2012 11:35am

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Originally Posted by tw1ns (Post 820644)
The goal of every official. To NOT be noticed. Great job last night by the crew!

It's sad when officials buy into this nonsense.

Welpe Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by tw1ns (Post 820644)
The goal of every official. To NOT be noticed. Great job last night by the crew!

They were definitely noticed when they flagged that intentional grounding but it was a solid, correct call made by several members of the crew.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 06, 2012 12:42pm

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Originally Posted by tw1ns (Post 820644)
The goal of every official. To NOT be noticed. Great job last night by the crew!

Maybe it is the goal of the officials to have the players let them not be noticed but sometimes the players make the officials a noticeable part of the game.

twocentsworth Mon Feb 06, 2012 01:01pm

my goal is simple (yet sometimes difficult): get the call right!

bainsey Mon Feb 06, 2012 01:06pm

As a Pats fan, I thought I could come to this board for an escape. :mad:

fullor30 Mon Feb 06, 2012 01:12pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 820661)
They were definitely noticed when they flagged that intentional grounding but it was a solid, correct call made by several members of the crew.


Not a football official, felt that was right call wrong time. Possibly I don't follow ruling. If receiver breaks long we have nothing? what if receiver botches route.

Nobody complained so I'm way in minority, and three guesses who I had a few game fees on.

jTheUmp Mon Feb 06, 2012 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 820673)
Not a football official, felt that was right call wrong time.

If that was the 'wrong' time, when, in your opinion, would've been the 'right' time?

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Possibly I don't follow ruling. If receiver breaks long we have nothing? what if receiver botches route.
Three points:
1) Brady was still in the tackle box when the pass was thrown.

2) The pass was thrown as a Giant's D-lineman (Tuck?) was about to sack him.

3) The pass was thrown into an area where there were no eligible receivers.

Combine all three, and that makes intentional grounding the correct call in the NFL ruleset.

Change any of those three points, and it's not IG:
1) if he had left the tackle box it would've been no intentional grounding, even if he returned to the tackle box prior to throwing the pass.

2) if there was nobody close to sacking him, you could make a case for a "wrong route", since in that case the pass would've NOT obviously been thrown to "conserve yardage" or "conserve time". Obviously not the case here.

3) If there's an eligible receiver in the area, obviously there's no IG.

Camron Rust Mon Feb 06, 2012 01:25pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 820679)
If that was the 'wrong' time, when, in your opinion, would've been the 'right' time?


Three points:
1) Brady was still in the tackle box when the pass was thrown.

2) The pass was thrown as a Giant's D-lineman (Tuck?) was about to sack him.

3) The pass was thrown into an area where there were no eligible receivers.

Combine all three, and that makes intentional grounding the correct call in the NFL ruleset.

Change any of those three points, and it's not IG:
1) if he had left the tackle box it would've been no intentional grounding, even if he returned to the tackle box prior to throwing the pass.

2) if there was nobody close to sacking him, you could make a case for a "wrong route", since in that case the pass would've NOT obviously been thrown to "conserve yardage" or "conserve time". Obviously not the case here.

3) If there's an eligible receiver in the area, obviously there's no IG.

Those guys were threading passes so precisely all night, no way he inadvertently misses by that much on that play....he threw it over the top on purpose.

fullor30 Mon Feb 06, 2012 01:54pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 820679)
If that was the 'wrong' time, when, in your opinion, would've been the 'right' time?


Three points:
1) Brady was still in the tackle box when the pass was thrown.

2) The pass was thrown as a Giant's D-lineman (Tuck?) was about to sack him.

3) The pass was thrown into an area where there were no eligible receivers.

Combine all three, and that makes intentional grounding the correct call in the NFL ruleset.

Change any of those three points, and it's not IG:
1) if he had left the tackle box it would've been no intentional grounding, even if he returned to the tackle box prior to throwing the pass.

2) if there was nobody close to sacking him, you could make a case for a "wrong route", since in that case the pass would've NOT obviously been thrown to "conserve yardage" or "conserve time". Obviously not the case here.

3) If there's an eligible receiver in the area, obviously there's no IG.

Right time would not have been during commercial break ;)

grunewar Mon Feb 06, 2012 02:15pm

See, football officials have to count too......
 
....and, they don't hold up the game and let the coach know he has too many players on the field either! WHACK!! TWICE!!

I love that graphic when it goes up!

jTheUmp Mon Feb 06, 2012 02:51pm

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Originally Posted by grunewar (Post 820697)
....and, they don't hold up the game and let the coach know he has too many players on the field either! WHACK!! TWICE!!

I love that graphic when it goes up!

Apples and oranges. Football allows 'live ball' substitutions (between downs), basketball does not.

In basketball:
1) you don't let the ball become live if a team has 4 (or 6) players on the court.
2) If a 6th player enters during a live ball, you have a technical foul.
3) If a player leaves the court (for an unauthorized reason) during a live (or dead) ball, you have a technical foul.

In football:
1) you don't let a ball become live on a free kick if there are not 11 players on the field for each team.
2) If a 12th player enters during a down or if there are more then 11 players participating at the start of a down, you have a foul (illegal subsitution or illegal participation, depending on the ruleset and exact circumstances).
3) If a player leaves the field during a down, you have no penalty (unless he returns during the same down and participates or he was blocked out of bounds and returns at the earliest opportunity).


You're trying to compare basketball situation 1 to football situation 2. In situation 1, football and basketball are identical.

Adam Mon Feb 06, 2012 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 820709)
Apples and oranges. Football allows 'live ball' substitutions (between downs), basketball does not.

In basketball:
1) you don't let the ball become live if a team has 4 (or 6) players on the court.
2) If a 6th player enters during a live ball, you have a technical foul.
3) If a player leaves the court (for an unauthorized reason) during a live (or dead) ball, you have a technical foul.

2. Or if you miscount and put the ball in play anyway. We try to stop it, but it's not our fault in the end.
3. This is a violation, not a T. (9-3-3)


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