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tref Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:15am

Why?
 
We bounce to the thrower on the sidelines & in the backcourt, but hand the ball on the frontcourt endline. Working with a younger official last night that asked "why?"

Adam Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:18am

Just smack him on the back of the head. He'll stop asking dumb questions.

mbyron Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:18am

You're standing closer to the thrower there, the other players are closer, and a bounce might be awkward.

Toren Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:21am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 819375)
We bounce to the thrower on the sidelines & in the backcourt, but hand the ball on the frontcourt endline. Working with a younger official last night that asked "why?"

I was told by a veteran official it was to ensure we box in the players. Allow ourselves a good angle at the thrower-in and any pressure that might be coming.

I think I read this backwards. I was thinking why do we bounce the ball on the sidelines.

On the frontcourt, we hand it in because a bounce has more opportunity to be fumbled and since the defense is likely to be right there, this could lead to all kinds of messes.

tref Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:24am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 819376)
Just smack him on the back of the head. He'll stop asking dumb questions.

Seriously though, speaking with Tony Brothers over the summer he said you guys do alot of things but have no idea "why" you're doing it. He said get a better understanding of "why" certain things are in place, so you can referee plays better.

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 819377)
You're standing closer to the thrower there, the other players are closer, and a bounce might be awkward.

Is this the only reason?

doubleringer Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:25am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 819378)
I was told by a veteran official it was to ensure we box in the players. Allow ourselves a good angle at the thrower-in and any pressure that might be coming.

Yup, and on the baseline we hand it to the thrower because there are a lot of players around and you don't want the ball going loose.

tref Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:28am

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Originally Posted by doubleringer (Post 819380)
Yup, and on the baseline we hand it to the thrower because there are a lot of players around and you don't want the ball going loose.

When I gave this explanation, the bright eyed, bushy tailed youngster said, that can happen on the sidelines & b/c with pressure too.

I told him I'd get him a better answer...

bainsey Thu Feb 02, 2012 10:53am

It was explained to me that a kid making a frontcourt endline throw-in has enough to think about with his close surroundings. Catching your bounce pass just adds another thing. Since there's typically (though not always) less pressure on sideline and backcourt endline throw-ins, a bounce pass is acceptable.

There are a few on here that say their local association only allows bounce passes on sideline throw-ins, so check your local listings.

JetMetFan Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:13am

Just to cause trouble...
 
I officiate - among other things - girls' basketball in NY State where we use modified NCAA women's rules and mechanics. Under the NYSGBOA, here is the mechanic for administering frontcourt endline throw-ins on the table side of the floor:

If the throw-in is to be administered by the lead on the tableside half of the floor the lead administers the throw-in by handing or bouncing the ball to the thrower-in and then backing across the lane. This is being done to facilitate communication with the sideline

Now try explaining to poor new guy why, in NFHS, we hand the ball to the throw-in team for frontcourt enline throw-ins!

Adam Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:26am

So you purposefully use a weak side lead? Defeats the purpose of having three, IMO.

bob jenkins Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:30am

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Originally Posted by JetMetFan (Post 819396)
I officiate - among other things - girls' basketball in NY State where we use modified NCAA women's rules and mechanics.

That's so far from NCAAW mechanics that you could just as easily say "we use modified football mechanics"

JetMetFan Thu Feb 02, 2012 11:37am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 819401)
That's so far from NCAAW mechanics that you could just as easily say "we use modified football mechanics"

To clarify, those are our 2-person mechanics. The 3-person mechanics are just as they would be for an NCAA Women's game.

CK Thu Feb 02, 2012 12:22pm

I was taught it had to do with the amount of pressure. Pressure applied, hand rather than bounce in the bc and sidelines. Always hand on endline throwins in the FC. With that said here is the NF Basketball Officials Manual 11-13. Page 34. .

"T may bounce any sideline or end line throw-in (depends on defensive pressure)"

As to specifics; less likely to fumble. When handing the ball get out quickly and with distance to open up the view and proper angles.


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