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Raymond · #1 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:13am

Gasol was vertical and Ellis threw his hip into him. Good no call IMO.

JugglingReferee · #2 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:23am

Great no call.

letemplay · #3 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:24am

you know you've seen less than that called in the NBA...if it's the "right guy" with the ball.

APG · #4 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:30am

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Originally Posted by letemplay

you know you've seen less than that called in the NBA...if it's the "right guy" with the ball.

I've seen similar plays no called...with the "right guy with the ball"

DenverRef · #5 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:39am

I'm a rookie, and I'm leaning towards no call but,

Is blue is "late" to the spot of the shooter's try and not facing up to him either (:28 of the video)? Or does any of that matter?

Adam · #6 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 10:43am

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Originally Posted by DenverRef

I'm a rookie, and I'm leaning towards no call but,

Is blue is "late" to the spot of the shooter's try and not facing up to him either (:28 of the video)? Or does any of that matter?

He was facing him, and he never got to the spot of the shooter's try. He got to a spot directly in front of the shooter, and he got there first.

bainsey · #7 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:02am

From my standpoint, defender had LGP and verticality, and the shooter came into him. I have nothing.

Okay, slightly different sitch from a game I worked this week: A-1 goes airborne. Defender B-2 has his spot in the lane, but facing in another direction (turned about a 90 degrees from the path of the shooter). Instinctively, the defender jumps, and has clear verticality, but is not facing the shooter when contact is made (shooter's torso into defender's side). Blocking?

just another ref · #8 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 12:19pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey

Okay, slightly different sitch from a game I worked this week: A-1 goes airborne. Defender B-2 has his spot in the lane, but facing in another direction (turned about a 90 degrees from the path of the shooter). Instinctively, the defender jumps, and has clear verticality, but is not facing the shooter when contact is made (shooter's torso into defender's side). Blocking?

If defender is stationary, then vertical, it doesn't matter which way he is facing.

Rich · #9 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:04am

We'll frequently see this at the HS level on a last second long-distance heave where the shooter will throw himself into the defender. And of course the shooter's coach wants a foul. No freaking way.

mbyron · #10 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:36am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN

We'll frequently see this at the HS level on a last second long-distance heave where the shooter will throw himself into the defender. And of course the shooter's coach wants a foul. No freaking way.

Exactly. I have no idea whether this was a good NBA call. But it's a good basketball call.

letemplay · #11 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:12am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I've seen similar plays no called...with the "right guy with the ball"

Hey, I'm all for a no call here and maybe have that in hs or college, but you can't tell me you haven't seen guys go to the line on a play like this. Looking at it closely, I can see some contact from Gasol on upper body and I do believe he is still moving, albeit slightly, and from his shoulder up is leaning towards shooter. Offensive player has jumped into him, I'll agree, however, some of that is a natural shooting motion that takes a shooter from the spot he starts his shot from TOWARDS the basket. Sure his intent is to draw the foul, that's why he takes it quickly to the deep corner, to entice the defender to follow, then comes back a bit with his shot, hoping defender has over committed. You began this post, I assume, asking for opinions (I didn't think it was today's pop quiz) then you thumb me down for giving mine

Raymond · #12 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:16am

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Originally Posted by letemplay

Hey, I'm all for a no call here and maybe have that in hs or college, but you can't tell me you haven't seen guys go to the line on a play like this. Looking at it closely, I can see some contact from Gasol on upper body and I do believe he is still moving, albeit slightly, and from his shoulder up is leaning towards shooter. Offensive player has jumped into him, I'll agree, however, some of that is a natural shooting motion that takes a shooter from the spot he starts his shot from TOWARDS the basket. Sure his intent is to draw the foul, that's why he takes it quickly to the deep corner, to entice the defender to follow, then comes back a bit with his shot, hoping defender has over committed. You began this post, I assume, asking for opinions (I didn't think it was today's pop quiz) then you thumb me down for giving mine

"Thumb down" was for your cliche' not for your opinion on that play.

I addressed your cliche' in one of my posts.

APG · #13 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:20am

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Originally Posted by letemplay

Hey, I'm all for a no call here and maybe have that in hs or college, but you can't tell me you haven't seen guys go to the line on a play like this. Looking at it closely, I can see some contact from Gasol on upper body and I do believe he is still moving, albeit slightly, and from his shoulder up is leaning towards shooter. Offensive player has jumped into him, I'll agree, however, some of that is a natural shooting motion that takes a shooter from the spot he starts his shot from TOWARDS the basket. Sure his intent is to draw the foul, that's why he takes it quickly to the deep corner, to entice the defender to follow, then comes back a bit with his shot, hoping defender has over committed. You began this post, I assume, asking for opinions (I didn't think it was today's pop quiz) then you thumb me down for giving mine

I thumbs down your lazy cliche...hell, I've seen guys go to the line on a play like this at all levels of play....am I to assume it was because the "right guy" had the ball?

letemplay · #14 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:30am

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

I thumbs down your lazy cliche...hell, I've seen guys go to the line on a play like this at all levels of play....am I to assume it was because the "right guy" had the ball?

Ok, I'll admit the phrasing "right guy" could ruffle some feathers and insinuate prejudice officiating, just pointing out that may happen. Allow me a redo:

The refs on this play made the correct call from what we could see on this clip; however, I don't believe there would have been a lot of argument the other way

Adam · #15 (**permalink**) Fri Jan 27, 2012, 11:32am

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Originally Posted by letemplay

Ok, I'll admit the phrasing "right guy" could ruffle some feathers and insinuate prejudice officiating, just pointing out that may happen. Allow me a redo:

The refs on this play made the correct call from what we could see on this clip; however, I don't believe there would have been a lot of argument the other way

Sure there would have been; maybe not from the announcers or from fans, but you can bet your next game check the official would have been ripped for making this call.