Who makes the call?

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

If they want the L strongside, pay for the 3rd!

Aren't you the one that always preaches the crew needs to get the call right?

[tref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disagree, but we've had this discussion before.

True

Originally Posted by BLydic

All 10 on that side, you still standing weakside? I don't work much 2 person, but that's a bunch for your trail to deal with solo.

Where did I say that I stayed weakside?? Neither do I.

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Not true as this is a mechanic, not about who pays for the officials which in at least my case have nothing to do with each other.

Peace

Its optional here, well, at least in the 2 person games I work it is.

Originally Posted by Welpe

Aren't you the one that always preaches the crew needs to get the call right?

I dont "preach" anything & I dont work many 2 person games either.
Pinching the paint provides a great look AND you are that much closer to your sideline responsibilities.

[Adam]

If you disagree with the option in general, that's one thing. But to refuse to cross simply because you want a third official (which is what your statement implies) is purposefully giving them less effort than is required. And some games just don't need 3, which further goes against your point.

I don't cross as quickly as in 3, but if the action is all over there, I'm moving to get a better angle; especially if the T has to have eyes on the ball outside the paint.

[tref]

I think I gave more than one reason, sometimes we read/hear what we want.

- Pinching the paint provides a good look
- That method gives you a closer route back to your sideline responsibilities

Perhaps my thoughts differ because I didnt start officiating in that era. When I came in it was 3 & that is what todays game deserves.

So, in college & pro games how do they decide which games "need" 3 & which ones dont? Ohhhhh they dont, every game is officiated with a crew of 3 for consistencies sake!

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

Perhaps my thoughts differ because I didnt start officiating in that era. When I came in it was 3 & that is what todays game deserves.

I only started three years ago so I'm most certainly of this era. There are far too many subvarsity and small classification varsity games here with two officials to insist that it is three or nothing. We'd never play any games if that were the case.

[tref]

I hear ya! I guess it boils down to, you doing whats best for you to improve & advance in the area that you're in.

And me doing the same where I am.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

I hear ya! I guess it boils down to, you doing whats best for you to improve & advance in the area that you're in.

And me doing the same where I am.

I do not disagree, but you made the point that this was based on not hiring a 3rd in replacement of what is being taught. That was really the only reason I commented. I do not hardly see a 2 Person game outside of the summer, so this hardly comes into my thinking other than when I am observing or working games myself. The point is that who teaches this has nothing to do with who hires officials.

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by tref

I think I gave more than one reason, sometimes we read/hear what we want.

- Pinching the paint provides a good look
- That method gives you a closer route back to your sideline responsibilities

Perhaps my thoughts differ because I didnt start officiating in that era. When I came in it was 3 & that is what todays game deserves.

So, in college & pro games how do they decide which games "need" 3 & which ones dont? Ohhhhh they dont, every game is officiated with a crew of 3 for consistencies sake!

I don't think there is an "era" as far as 2-man/3-man unless you were dropped directly into college and pro officiating.

You did say if they want a 2nd official strongside then pay for a 3rd. Well that's not going to happen. And pinching the paint does not give you as good a look as actually coming all the way over. Pinching the paint is still going to leave you stacked to the post play that is happening on the other side paint.

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by tref

Where did I say that I stayed weakside??

I didn't state that you did, I believe it was more in the form of a question based on an obvious scenario in which you should be strongside.

Originally Posted by tref

... sometimes we read/hear what we want.

No doubt.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

I dont work many 2 person games either.

Well that's the world I'm in and I'm not giving less than my best effort. They want us flexing strong side here when we can.

[Welpe]

Originally Posted by tref

Where did I say that I stayed weakside??

You more certainly implied it.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by tref

Its optional here, well, at least in the 2 person games I work it is.

I did not say it was mandatory or you would lose all games if you did not use it. And considering that 2 Person is only really worked at the lower level, then this is mostly a non-issue when it really counts.

Originally Posted by tref

I dont "preach" anything & I dont work many 2 person games either.
Pinching the paint provides a great look AND you are that much closer to your sideline responsibilities.

Well I am in a training capacity so we teach this as an option. If someone chooses not to do it, no one is going to be upset about it. It is used and usually very rare.

Peace

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

And considering that 2 Person is only really worked at the lower level........

What is "the lower level"?

We have some 3A and 4A VB games two man.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

What is "the lower level"?

We have some 3A and 4A VB games two man.

Anything that is not varsity is "lower level."

Peace