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big jake Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:18pm

Foul question
 
End of game situation. team in lead broke away for a lay up. Def player pushed shooter in the back and knocks shooter down into the wall. I know this should be intentional but should the defended be ejected?

just another ref Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:31pm

Judgment call based upon the nature and severity of the act.

big jake Sun Jan 22, 2012 11:55pm

Shooter went down hard and could have injured the wrist???????

deecee Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:07am

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Originally Posted by big jake (Post 815847)
Shooter went down hard and could have injured the wrist???????

On a regular foul or block charge players hit the deck and could injure something. This isn't a response that adds anything. Was it a hard push or a standard shove that is just an intentional versus flagrant. It's a had to be there scenario rather than all your ???????

Welpe Mon Jan 23, 2012 12:33am

Could be intentional, could be flagrant. Depends upon the severity of the act.

I had this exact situation a couple of years ago and I judged it to be flagrant.

bob jenkins Mon Jan 23, 2012 09:05am

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Originally Posted by big jake (Post 815842)
End of game situation. team in lead broke away for a lay up. Def player pushed shooter in the back and knocks shooter down into the wall. I know this should be intentional but should the defended be ejected?

An intentional foul (which you say it is) does not carry an additional penalty of ejection / DQ.

jTheUmp Mon Jan 23, 2012 09:20am

I've had this situation three times in the last 2 seasons...

I called all three intentional, and, in hindsight, one of them should've been flagrant. Totally depends on the severity of the act.

silverpie Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:29am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 815899)
An intentional foul (which you say it is) does not carry an additional penalty of ejection / DQ.

To rephrase the question in better Officialese: the foul is at least intentional. Should it be flagrant?

Adam Mon Jan 23, 2012 10:42am

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Originally Posted by jTheUmp (Post 815901)
I've had this situation three times in the last 2 seasons...

I called all three intentional, and, in hindsight, one of them should've been flagrant. Totally depends on the severity of the act.

Or the frequency. Had a player once (in FB game) do this once in the second quarter, and once in the third quarter. I stuck him with an INT on the first play, my partner tossed him on the second one. Second was a bit harder than the first, but there was no way we were going to let him finish the game at this point.

JugglingReferee Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by big jake (Post 815842)
End of game situation. team in lead broke away for a lay up. Def player pushed shooter in the back and knocks shooter down into the wall. I know this should be intentional but should the defended be ejected?

At minimum, an intentional foul. Very possibly a flagrant foul.


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