Is this taught in camp?
 

On my off nights, I watch college games or I go to a local high school game.

Recently, I've noticed in several college games across several conferences, that after a made basket and with no pressure, the old L, new T will take three or four steps in front of the endline.

Basically they are almost out to the free throw line before the ball is inbounded. Then the new T basically walks with the count.

I actually do the opposite of this, I wait until the ball is inbounded and reaches the free throw line, then I can jog.

I'm thinking of trying it the way these college guys do it. Anyone have thoughts on this?

This has nothing to do with college actually, many officials do this either as a way to get up court and not get beat or they are just not called to the carpet on it. It is usually a sign of an older official that feels they cannot keep up if they stay or someone that is lazy so they do not have to run that hard to follow the play. Either way I would not make much out of it.

Peace

Generally you only see that mechanic used by older officials that have a harder time keeping up with speed of the players or are afraid of being beat. There's no real reason to get ahead of the play like this.

Now that you mention it, I have seen it in older officials. But most of them seem able to run really well, it probably just saves on the pounding on their feet over the course of the whole season.

Thanks.

I think it is more out of fear they will bet beat consistently up the court.

Peace

I would not follow their lead though. They call it TRAIL for a reason. The DI guys on tv can get away with it because the coaches & decision makers are familiar with them. If we were to do this in the regular season, it would more than likely carry over to the summer. Then you're in camps trying to get hired -errrr- get better & that basically takes you off the list of candidates.
"Nice job, you're pretty close, come back again next year."
Which basically means, thanks for the check & you're welcome to write me another one next summer.

Who couldnt run well if they got a head start :-)

Now that I see the reasoning, I will not attempt this method.

thanks for the input guys.

Until you get where you're going, that is :D

Once you get there you can do whatever you want! I'm sure you've noticed no stop clock for OOB?

John Adams does not like this practice and he has pointed it out on NCAA videos.

I saw it cause a problem in a NIT final about 5 years ago involving South Carolina.

I've noticed this from lots of our esteemed referee's.

Don't do college ball, but I thought the "stop clock" is not an NCAA mechanic?

Yeah he's making reference to college officials who work high school games and how they just point, instead of stopping the clock first then open hand point.

Yeah thats what I was "told" too, then I got my head in the CCA manual. Low & behold, NCAA-W dont require the stop clock signal just as the League doesnt.

Negative, just talking about implementing things we see on tv in our HS games.

Hell, I did what you're talking about in front of JD twice Tuesday night :-(
In post game he didnt even mention it, but I apologized to him anyway. He said "yeah, I know you do other stuff but get it together before post-season." Did I do it purposely? No.
But working other games Fri-Sun led me to accidently just point. He also said it looked like I wanted to report 2 handed the entire 1st Q.

In the big tourney, they want guys with great judgement who work from jump ball to last whistle. If you happen to point instead of stop clock, that can be overlooked.

For me, they don't know me, I gotta do it by the book, I haven't earned crap yet. So I gotta earn it.

Every college assignor and evaluator (camp or game) I've ever heard talk about the trail actually "trailing" the dribbler up the backcourt has said to do just that, as well.

Just because the big dogs can get away with it doesn't mean you (or I) can.

Yep. We teach that TRAIL MEANS TRAIL. Stay behind the action, especially on inbound plays/ dribbling in the back court.

Toren:

This mechanic is what is called: "The bald old geezer position." And I resemble this mechanic, :D.

MTD, Sr.

Interesting timing for this thread. I've started to do this myself.

I was watching some varsity officials to pick up some ideas, and I noticed that one would bounce the ball to a "thrower-in" from 5-10 feet in front of the endline on a BCELTI, when there's no defensive pressure. It never occurred to me to try that, so I've been doing it myself.

If the there's a throw-in violation, I'm still going to see it clearly, and it's not like there's a plane violation to see. So, what's the downside?

Why do it in the first place?

If you have a throw-in violation call to make, you're gonna have a coach questioning how you could even see the call when you're 5-10 feet off the endline.

It can become a habit and/or result in surprise pressure or token pressure that results in a steal/turnover and contested layup/dunk/OB back at that basket that you will have very little chance of ruling on accurately because you've been completely beaten on the play. And exactly what APG said.

There it is, then. I have enough habits to break. I don't need to add another. Thanks.

I call this the Tim Higgins mechanic. And I saw it in practice today when watching Big East highlights. I thought maybe he had retired.

Sometimes, the best ideas you pick up are "what NOT to do."

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