Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 812061)

Why even participate? What purpose does it serve other than making you look better at your partner's expense?

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 812065)

I have two thoughts on the OP:

If you are working a varsity game with a partner who doesn't know this rule, chances are there were other problems as well.

It would have to be something really blatant before I would stop the game to question my partner's traveling call.

Originally Posted by rickman5 (Post 811946)

It happened to me again a few days ago where one of my partners misapplied a very common knowledge rule.

Big cross-county rivalry game (same region) and we were in the Boys Varsity game. I'm trail table side and my partner is at the C. A1 drives to that basketbal and attempts a try. The try does not hit anything and he grabs his own rebound. Players look around expecting a whistle and my partner hits it and signals traveling. I figure, with a veteran official, he had him taking steps on the rebound so I don't say anything and we play on.

A couple trips down the court later he explains to the head coach why he called the travel. He tells the coach that the ball didn't touch rim. The coach knows the rule and immediately calls him out on it. My partner continues to plead his case that he cannot do that. We have some sort of switch so I'm now by the coach and he tells me the situation. I hate to throw my partner under the bus but I had to tell the coach he was right and we would talk about it during the next dead ball. Coach then gets on to me for letting him misapply the rule. I explained that I thought he had a travel after he caught the rebound.

Next dead ball I talk to my partner about the rule. He acted like it was the first time he had heard that. I had to show him the rule book at halftime. My question is when is it ok to come in and question a fellow official's "judgement" call (seemed to me he had a travel)? Would anyone have handled this situation any differently?

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 811991)

The coach already knows he was wrong...What do you do? Play stupid as well?

Originally Posted by tref (Post 812067)

After an obvious IC the game is already stopped & re-gaining possession of an airball is really blatant, no?

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 812011)

...4. If coach tells me what partner says (and it happens to be incorrect and opposite of what I just agreed with) I would tell coach I will talk with partner but it's obvious he is incorrect.

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 812067)

After an obvious IC the game is already stopped & re-gaining possession of an airball is really blatant, no?

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 812078)

Not necessarily. If you have a clear view of the play, including his feet, sure. But that's not likely in a two-man game, or even three if there are a lot of players around the rebounder.

Originally Posted by rickman5 (Post 811946)

A1 drives to that basketbal and attempts a try. The try does not hit anything and he grabs his own rebound.

Originally Posted by tref (Post 812086)

On a drive to the rack, I dont know where else the officials are looking. Generally, thats where all the action areas are. IMO, if you dont have the ball & there are no engaged matchups in your primary then you should be officiating where you could get hurt next... on plays to the basket, that would be in the paint where the obvious airball was shot & subsequently recovered by the shooter.

I have worked with "ECA guys" (exclusive coverage area) who work their 3rd whether players are there or not, so I understand how it could be missed. I've also called fouls from the L & partners arent able to help with if the ball went in or not, so I can understand how it could be missed.

I guess thats why we savor those nights where we have a sharp crew of 3 & they all have crew chief tendencies! Those have been my easiest & most enjoyable games to work.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 812093)

Actually, in a 2 man crew it's MORE likely for the off-official to be looking at the same place as his partner because the Trail would have had the origin of that drive and positioned himself to see the whole play.

In a 3-man crew if I'm opposite the Lead I'm less likely to be watching all that action as I would be positioned to see all the weakside activity and I would have a whole lot of bodies between me and A1 catching his airball.

Originally Posted by tref (Post 812099)

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What the heck is the T watching in your sitch? Not too often do we see guys still setting screens on drives to the basket or defenders bodying up a player at the 3 point line.

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 812103)

In the OP, based on the C making the call, I'm assuming the drive originated in the C's primary and ended there likewise. As the Trail I would have long ago looked away from the ball and down into the paint, maybe even hedging towards becoming the new C if the Lead has closed down. My eyes would not have been on A1 unless he came into the paint going to the front of the rim.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 812113)

If a coach asks me what a rule is, I tell him what the rule is. I will generally not comment to them on my partner's potential misapplication of a rule. I simply tell them I have no info on the call and they need to consult my partner about what they did or did not call.

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 812054)

Giving the coach the correct rule is one thing but telling him that your partner was wrong is entirely different.

I like the way you handled your situation because you're giving your partner the benefit of the doubt. If we are 100% sure, we should go in and get it right with our partner before the game is resumed. Telling a coach your partner was wrong doesn't mollify the situation, it exacerbates it.

Originally Posted by deecee (Post 812056)

huh???:confused:

So the coach KNOWS the rule and that your partner got it wrong and asks you. What do you say or do? give him a stupid blank look?

What's wrong with, "if that's what he said, I think he misapplied the rule, I'll discuss this with him first chance I get."

Grow up man. Your partner screwed up and you're not going out of your way to put him in the spotlight. He then makes it worse by continuing to defend his position.