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Wellmer Mon Jan 09, 2012 02:36pm

Excessive Time Out
 
If a player calls a time out and his team has none remaining, is the technical foul an administrative T or is it charged to the player that called it? My instinct tells me it's an administrative T.

HawkeyeCubP Mon Jan 09, 2012 02:39pm

Team technical. Rule 10-1-7.

tref Mon Jan 09, 2012 02:40pm

Had a Chris Webber on Saturday, its an administrative T & charged to the team.

Hugh Refner Mon Jan 09, 2012 02:43pm

Same particulars for a T for having too many players on the court? I would think that's also an "administrative" technical against the team and not against a single player. After all, which player is the "one too many"?

Wellmer Mon Jan 09, 2012 02:44pm

I was at a game where this occurred. Wasn't sure but the officials that worked the game charged the player that called the timeout with the foul, which then happened to be his 5th foul. Bad thing for that player also was that the score was tied at the time and he called it with :01 left. Subsequent technical foul shots lost the ball game for his team.

HawkeyeCubP Mon Jan 09, 2012 02:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner (Post 811715)
Same particulars for a T for having too many players on the court? I would think that's also an "administrative" technical against the team and not against a single player.

You are correct. 10-1-6.

Wow, where is everyone today? 4 minutes and I'm the first to respond on something? Did the internets go down in other states?:)

bainsey Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:12pm

Team technical, yes. But administrative?

Adam Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hugh Refner (Post 811715)
Same particulars for a T for having too many players on the court? I would think that's also an "administrative" technical against the team and not against a single player. After all, which player is the "one too many"?

Exactly

mbyron Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:51pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811727)
Team technical, yes. But administrative?

NFHS does not have that category, but other rule sets do. Some folks use it as shorthand for "don't charge it to a player or coach."

HawkeyeCubP Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 811738)
NFHS does not have that category, but other rule sets do. Some folks use it as shorthand for "don't charge it to a player or coach."

To be fair, it's the descriptive heading for the first section of the technical foul summary table in the back of the NFHS book - all of which are team technical fouls.

just another ref Mon Jan 09, 2012 03:58pm

When I think of administrative, I think of something in the book, as opposed to something on the court.

bainsey Mon Jan 09, 2012 04:43pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 811741)
When I think of administrative, I think of something in the book, as opposed to something on the court.

+1

For example, "maximum one administrative technical foul per team."

If you don't charge it to a player (including subs) or a coach, it's a team (or possibly bench). I believe an administrative can only be a team T.

BillyMac Mon Jan 09, 2012 05:57pm

Pretty Simple ...
 
If a team requests and is granted an excess timeout, then a team technical foul is charged. The penalty for an excessive timeout is assessed when discovered.

BillyMac Mon Jan 09, 2012 05:58pm

Not So Simple ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811750)
For example,"maximum one administrative technical foul per team."

Some administrative infraction technical foul situations can occur before the jump ball is even tossed. If a team fails to supply the official scorer with its roster, and/or designate its five starting players at least ten minutes before the scheduled starting time, then a team technical foul is charged. This team technical foul is charged when it occurs, after the ten minute time limit. A maximum of one technical foul is charged for both requirements (roster and/or starters).

After the ten minute time limit a team is charged with a maximum of one technical foul regardless of how many infractions of the following are committed: changing a designated starter, adding a name to the team member list, requiring the scorer to change a team member’s or player’s number in the scorebook, requiring a player to change to the number in the scorebook, and/or having identical numbers on team members and/or players. Each player must wear the number indicated in the scorebook, or change the official scorebook number to that the player is wearing. Any additional substitutes who become players and require the changing of the number indicated for them in the official scorebook will not result in a penalty, as the one maximum technical has already been charged to the team for that team’s administrative infraction

Toren Mon Jan 09, 2012 06:03pm

I fail to see
 
what's not so simple?


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