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fullor30 Thu Jan 05, 2012 03:21pm

Dwelling on calls
 
The fact that we are all here on this site shows we are interested in self improvement and sometimes(at least in my case) we can be our harshest critics. I found myself dwelling on a particular call or a bad mechanic, missed rotation during tourney games over the holidays. This of course, will lead to lack of focus and reffing in the here and now. Much like any athlete in any sport, the 'play' is over, move on.

Any one else ever go through this?

Doctor Phil

fiasco Thu Jan 05, 2012 03:32pm

This year I've been working hard at not allowing crap that goes on during the game to "rattle" me.

A couple of weeks ago I had a game with a relatively inexperienced partner. He had a bit of a goof up where he stopped live play to tell the visiting bench to be quiet and stop making comments. A few minutes later, I'm T table side when the visiting coach comes all the way across the halfcourt line right to me, grabs me by the arm (not forcefully). I swing around and start to put air into my whistle to T him up when I hear him say that he's trying to get our attention because his player has a bloody nose.

I tell him ok, but he has got to get back to his bench right now. I start walking him back a few feet, then turn around and go to the player to tell him to sub out.

As I was walking away from the coach, my partner is walking toward me to find out what's going on. The same coach, now for some reason irate because I've told him to get back in his box, is coming back out on the court.

My partner Ts him up. I hear the whistle and turn back around as my partner is starting to get into a bit of an argument with the coach. I separate them, tell my partner to go get the bloody nose kid out and get in position to administer the free throws.

Eventually we got everything settled, got the coach back in his box, got the player with the bloody nose out of the game, and started administering free throws. But the whole scenario got me a little rattled, in the sense that my mechanics for the entire rest of the quarter were jerky, I was not sharp on my whistle and my judgment and just in general I got taken out of the game, because I couldn't stop thinking about how I could have handled the situation differently.

Had a great talk from the varsity officials after the game. They told me they were particularly impressed with how calm I stayed in the whole situation, but that they could tell I let it rattle me.

That's something I'm working on now, when the shiz hits the fan, not letting it throw me off my game.

JRutledge Thu Jan 05, 2012 03:38pm

We all have on some level. I just have gotten to the point where this is not much of a concern in my game anymore. I think you just have to take the mindset that you will not get every call right and move on when it happens. Usually my mistakes are things that most people do not even notice. We never have perfect games and if I did I probably would be shocked and retire on the spot. You cannot dwell on anything or the next several plays might be out of whack if you do.

Peace

tref Thu Jan 05, 2012 04:02pm

Gotta develop into a page turner
 
A referee who dwells on a call is equivalent to a player that misses a layup & doesnt get back on defense... 2 you missed & 2 you gave up. - Marc Davis

Tio Thu Jan 05, 2012 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 810871)
The fact that we are all here on this site shows we are interested in self improvement and sometimes(at least in my case) we can be our harshest critics. I found myself dwelling on a particular call or a bad mechanic, missed rotation during tourney games over the holidays. This of course, will lead to lack of focus and reffing in the here and now. Much like any athlete in any sport, the 'play' is over, move on.

Any one else ever go through this?

Doctor Phil

This is a good thing... it shows you care and want to be the best you can be every night. I will take someone with those qualities as a partner any night.

rockyroad Thu Jan 05, 2012 05:13pm

Just like a coach telling his/her players to "let it go" and keep playing hard, we have to be able to file things away to review later. That comes with experience. The first time the crap hits the fan, we probably won't handle things well...but we will get a little bit thicker skin and be able to handle it better the next time.

So when something odd happens, rather than letting it "get to you", learn to stick it in the back of your mind to discuss later (halftime, post game, at the next meeting, etc.) and keep concentrating on what is going on on the court. The easiest way to do that is to self-talk (at least for me)...I get myself to concentrate by talking to myself in my mind - "Where's my match-up?", "Where's the post players?" "How's the secondary defender to be aware of?" etc., etc...forces me to get my mind back to what's important right here and now.

ga314ref Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:42am

It's happened to me...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fullor30 (Post 810871)
The fact that we are all here on this site shows we are interested in self improvement and sometimes(at least in my case) we can be our harshest critics. I found myself dwelling on a particular call or a bad mechanic, missed rotation during tourney games over the holidays. This of course, will lead to lack of focus and reffing in the here and now. Much like any athlete in any sport, the 'play' is over, move on.

Any one else ever go through this?

Doctor Phil

...but I learned to put it away, and then let it go. Mistakes happen. Experience, this site, and constant rules study helps a lot.

bainsey Fri Jan 06, 2012 01:00am

Long story short, I had a fashion police issue today that I had to deal with, and I allowed the whole thing to rattle me and jar my focus. I was even grumpy about it when I got home.

We all have work to do, and we all choose our reactions. Focus is a choice, too. Don't let anything rattle it on the court, especially the stupid stuff.

stiffler3492 Fri Jan 06, 2012 01:03am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811009)
Long story short, I had a fashion police issue today that I had to deal with, and I allowed the whole thing to rattle me and jar my focus. I was even grumpy about it when I got home.

We all have work to do, and we all choose our reactions. Focus is a choice, too. Don't let anything rattle it on the court, especially the stupid stuff.

Care to elaborate? Don't want the thread to get too far off topic, so maybe start a new thread?

bob jenkins Fri Jan 06, 2012 08:57am

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Originally Posted by stiffler3492 (Post 811011)
Care to elaborate? Don't want the thread to get too far off topic, so maybe start a new thread?

Yes, please do. Of all the things that could cause an official to get "rattled", being the fashion police would fall way down the list, I would think.

VaTerp Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:20am

Dwelling on a Game
 
I have gotten pretty good at being able to move on after a bad call but this past Wednesday I had a bad GAME that is still in my head.

Frankly, it's probably the worst game I can remember. No major rules gaffes or anything that I think changed the rightful outcome of the game but just an overall poor job. The Home coach, who ended up winning, was chirpy throughout the game. At one point in the 3rd he said, "you're calling this ticky tack stuff but then not calling what really needs to be called." I just thought to myself, "You're right coach, I've been AWFUL tonite."

I tried self talk and a few other mental excercises but for whatever reason I just could not get into the game mentally. Very dissapointing because I'm at the stage in my career where I feel like I'm really ready to take it to the next level. But this game was just awful and it's still in my head 2 days later.

Fortunately I get back on the court tonight and will move past this but it's still disturbing that I had a whole game that I'm dwelling on. Anyone else have one of those nights where you just couldnt get it going at all?

Raymond Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:31am

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Originally Posted by VaTerp (Post 811059)
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Fortunately I get back on the court tonight and will move past this but it's still disturbing that I had a whole game that I'm dwelling on. Anyone else have one of those nights where you just couldnt get it going at all?

I remember having just a horrible half one time. But neither coach seemed to notice as I got no flak that I can remember. And talking to my partners after the game neither had any plays that stuck out to them. But I knew I sucked and that mentally I had went in the tank the 2nd half.

Just up'd my concentration level for the following game.

VaTerp Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 811065)
I remember having just a horrible half one time. But neither coach seemed to notice as I got no flak that I can remember. And talking to my partners after the game neither had any plays that stuck out to them. But I knew I sucked and that mentally I had went in the tank the 2nd half.

Just up'd my concentration level for the following game.

Yeah, most of us are our own worst critics and post game both of my partners said they didnt notice anything bad nor did the losing coach say a single word throughout the game.

It is about concentration and mental focus and Wednesday night was the first time that I can remember where I was just out of it for basically an entire game. I'm sure it's happened to me before during some weekend or summer ball but not in a scholastic game.

Scuba_ref Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:05am

Just curious
 
Did you have a good pre-game? I know that often helps set the tone for me.

VaTerp Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:38am

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Originally Posted by Scuba_ref (Post 811080)
Did you have a good pre-game? I know that often helps set the tone for me.

I was the R and working with two people I was somewhat familiar with. I thought our pre-game was pretty good but we made the mistake of assuming that it was going to be a poorly played game based on what one of my partners said about having seen one of the teams previously and both teams recent history of not being very good.

It was also the first girls game I had done since maybe the first week of the season, not that it should matter. Both teams played better than we anticipated and the 1st quarter score was 17-16. I commented at halftime that we should not have made the assumption and that I didnt feel like I came out "ready from the tip."

What was disturbing to me was that even after recognizing this, I never got it going mentally. But you're right. I think it started with improper focus in the pre-game.

fullor30 Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:41am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scuba_ref (Post 811080)
Did you have a good pre-game? I know that often helps set the tone for me.

Depends on partners......but your right, an bumbled switch,rotation screwup, new lead going long bringing in subs, failure to communicate with partners, can get you off course and might have been avoided with a decent pregame.

I've had almost 1/2 hour pregames and the "don't F&*# it up" ones.

Loudwhistle2 Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 811065)
I remember having just a horrible half one time. But neither coach seemed to notice as I got no flak that I can remember. And talking to my partners after the game neither had any plays that stuck out to them. But I knew I sucked and that mentally I had went in the tank the 2nd half.

Just up'd my concentration level for the following game.

For me I have found that I need to be plenty early for any game I do. Last year I came in late (only 30 minutes before game time) and it upset my whole mood. Felt like I was behind the eight ball the whole time.

Adam Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:49am

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Originally Posted by Loudwhistle2 (Post 811090)
For me I have found that I need to be plenty early for any game I do. Last year I came in late (only 30 minutes before game time) and it upset my whole mood. Felt like I was behind the eight ball the whole time.

Two years ago, I had a game where I walked in at about game time (car accident on the freeway). The association president, there early for the next game, was getting dressed to replace me if need be. We had about a 30 second pregame, and I was out of sorts the whole game.

I was back in that gym last night (incidental detail), and worked with two partners who had just done the freshmen game in front of me. The R did a good job of taking a few extra minutes between games to make sure we had a decent pregame.

I've also found that being out of the car for a while, with time to get into the mindset, is helpful even if the pre-game is less than stellar.

bainsey Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:24pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 811045)
Of all the things that could cause an official to get "rattled", being the fashion police would fall way down the list, I would think.

Fair enough. It was more about having to deal with this stuff repeatedly with the same team/coach, and the indignant reply when I tried to cut that team a little slack.

Home team in green, visitors in blue. (In this state, white jerseys are only required for home varsity teams.) Both teams had at least one white undershirt. I spoke with the home coach about his lone offender, and it was taken care of without incident.

Visitors had warm-ups on during pre-game, so I didn't see the two white undershirts until a few minutes into the game. (They were sleeveless, but they were visible at the neckline. I already had to deal with this same issue with this team a few weeks ago. Rather than remove those two immediately, I thought I'd cut them a little slack, and told the visiting coach to take care of it at the end of the first quarter. The coach just gave me an indignant "whatever," twice.

"Whatever" is a pet peeve of mine. (I've said before that "whatever" is for stupid teenage girls.) I allow the kids to finish the quarter, and I get the clean version of "screw you"?! Plenty other schools understand that the undershirt's color must match that of the jersey, like it or not. (My son's coach doesn't even allow undershirts, headbands, etc.) Apparently, this coach thinks he can duck rules he deems stupid.

The fact that I allowed it to get to me and rattle my focus for the rest of the half is on me. In the grand scheme of things, this is far from major. While I didn't react overtly, I still chose poorly internally. Fashion police stuff is a PITA, but I'll likely have to deal with it again. If I don't deal with it, I'm just making it messier for the next guy.

Adam Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:26pm

So did he deal with it?

If you've had them do this before and had to deal with it then, I'd be less inclined to let them wait. Send them off and tell the coach he needs some subs.

bainsey Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:27pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 811106)
So did he deal with it?

Affirmative. The two rushed to the locker room and were back out for the second quarter.

bob jenkins Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:37pm

If I have an issue with a team, then the next time I have the team I check (or at least ask) during the pre-game.

And, it might be helpful to let your association know, so all can check / enforce. That way, the team doesn't think "it's just you."

(I'm assuming that the white neckline is enofrced in your area.)

bainsey Fri Jan 06, 2012 12:55pm

Thanks, Bob.

And yes, the neckline is enforced. I seeked clarity on this a few weeks ago.

In hindsight, I should have asked in pre-game when the R asked me if I had anything to add.

Adam Fri Jan 06, 2012 01:08pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 811114)
Thanks, Bob.

And yes, the neckline is enforced. I seeked clarity on this a few weeks ago.

In hindsight, I should have asked in pre-game when the R asked me if I had anything to add.

If you're going to do that, let your R know ahead of time.

RookieDude Fri Jan 06, 2012 02:25pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 811119)
If you're going to do that, let your R know ahead of time.

Snaq's...you are wise beyond your years.;)

Adam Fri Jan 06, 2012 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 811150)
Snaq's...you are wise beyond your years.;)

:D I don't care what you've been told, I'm no Yankee fan.

VaTerp Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 811065)
I remember having just a horrible half one time. But neither coach seemed to notice as I got no flak that I can remember. And talking to my partners after the game neither had any plays that stuck out to them. But I knew I sucked and that mentally I had went in the tank the 2nd half.

Just up'd my concentration level for the following game.

Had a BF/BV double tonite.

Drove to the game feeling very mentally prepared and then I got a call from my boss 30 minutes before the BF tip that really ticked me off on work related issues.

Rather than let it distract me just used it to up my concentration level even more and feel like I nailed both games tonight. The V game was a 25 point blow out but both teams competed the whole game and there was about as much of a rythm and flow as possible for a game with that kind of margin.

Really feel goods about the games this evening and am thanful to this board for allowing me the opportunity for "therapy" from typing and reading some of the responses. Thanks!


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