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mbyron Thu Jan 05, 2012 05:37am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 810643)
Sure it does. He blocked the pass with his hand....legal. If the foot was in the original path of the ball, and the ball still hit it after a minor deflection, I could agree with still calling a kick as the foot was put in the path of the ball and became relevant.

Where in the rule does the kicking violation say it applies only to a pass? If this pass deflected off another player's hand and then was kicked, wouldn't you be calling the violation? What difference does it make whose hand it deflected off?

The player intentionally contacted the (live) ball with his leg. Doesn't matter what it touched before that. Violation.

It sounds to me that you're ruling that this was not intentional contact: the initial attempt to kick failed, the ball deflected off his hand, and then the ball accidentally hit his leg. I'd be OK with that ruling, if that's what you're judging happened.

tjchamp Thu Jan 05, 2012 07:15am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 810656)
How do we know from the OP which of these happened?

It actually was bam bam. The hand hardly changed direction of the ball, the foot was barely behind hand at point of contact. Less than a foot away.:)

Welpe Thu Jan 05, 2012 09:35am

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Originally Posted by tjchamp (Post 810676)
It actually was bam bam. The hand hardly changed direction of the ball, the foot was barely behind hand at point of contact. Less than a foot away.:)

In that case, I'd say a kick violation is probably a good call. If it's a significant deflection, I'd lean towards no call.

tref Thu Jan 05, 2012 10:45am

Is intentionally striking the ball with the leg the same thing as an attempt to strike the ball with leg that deflects off the hand first?

bob jenkins Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:04am

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Originally Posted by tref (Post 810732)
Is intentionally striking the ball with the leg the same thing as an attempt to strike the ball with leg that deflects off the hand first?

I don't think so. ;)

As I see it, the rule means "placing the leg in the current (or expected next, if it's jsut before the ball is released) path of the ball."

New path, as on a (anything other than minor) deflection, means the leg need to be moved again.

JugglingReferee Thu Jan 05, 2012 11:45am

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Originally Posted by tjchamp (Post 810535)
Defender B1 reaches low, and sticks his foot out to block a pass. The ball deflects off his hand, then hits his extended foot/ankle.

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mbyron Thu Jan 05, 2012 12:28pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 810764)
I have " ".

Did you mean Ø?
;)

Camron Rust Thu Jan 05, 2012 05:01pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 810738)
I don't think so. ;)

As I see it, the rule means "placing the leg in the current (or expected next, if it's just before the ball is released) path of the ball."

New path, as on a (anything other than minor) deflection, means the leg need to be moved again.

I was just about to reply with more or less what bob said.....

So, what bob said.

If it has missed the hand, would it have then missed the foot? If so, no kick.


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