It's part of the game....

[DrakeM]

Last night. Just a couple of minutes into the game, defender elbows player in the nose. Both myself and my partner call flagrant, and toss the kid.
During half-time, a parent comes up to me and asks,
"WHY DID YOU CALL THAT!?" (incredulously)
So I explain that an elbow to the face that ends up in a bloddy nose, is flagrant. He says, "THAT'S JUST PART OF THE GAME!," (OhhhhhhhKayyyyyyyy?????) and that he didn't mean to do it. "That very well may be" says I, but it was unnecessary AND excessive and that's why it was flagrant.
The parent (pointing a finger in my face) says, "THERE'S
NOTHING IN THE RULE BOOK THAT SAYS THAT!!!!!!!" To which I reply, "Ok, thank you" and my conversation is done.
Love it.

[mick]

Drake,
My line for a flagrant foul is that the elbow thrower will have had to intentionally ( as opposed to accidentally and due to momentum, balance or skill ) whipped his wing to 'clear out', to 'intimidate' or to 'make contact'.
I think I could find a rule to support that stand.
Otherwise, I merely have an "owey".
mick

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by mick
Otherwise, I merely have an "owey".

Does this mean you wouldn't have even a common foul? An intentional foul doesn't necessarily have to be intentional, as we all know. . .

[mick]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Does this mean you wouldn't have even a common foul? An intentional foul doesn't necessarily have to be intentional, as we all know. . .

YU.P., Chuck,
Illegal contact could be called.
I did not consider personal or intentional fouls by legal or illegal players, I was just talking about the flagrant foul and how I have drawn my line.

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Tigers sweep Orioles.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by mick
I did not consider personal or intentional fouls by legal or illegal players, I was just talking about the flagrant foul and how I have drawn my line.

Gotcha.

Tigers sweep Orioles.

Trammell's doing something right. I'm glad for him. He seems to be one of the good guys. But then, so did Puckett. . .

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by DrakeM
To which I reply, "Ok, thank you" and my conversation is done.

I think this is one of the most useful responses to all parents, and many coaches, when they are screaming and carrying on. As long as it's not too sarcastic, it really seems to pour cold water on the flames. I'm glad to see others use it with success.

[fletch_irwin_m]

Had a similar situation on Tuesday in a Spring League game. Some rough play in the post and then a hold on the help. After the whistle, Player A jabs Player B (Defender) in chest. I whack a "T". Player B gets in A's face and starts taunting as A is trying to walk away. WHACK on B. The head coach (who is not coaching) for A goes ballistic wondering why we are throwing T's in Spring League. I explain to the super that we will shoot the Bonus for the hold, then Team B will shoot the T, then Team A will shoot the T and it will be Team A's ball on the side. That was too much for the coach and he stormed off.
Come to find out, as this was the boys team from my wife's school, he did not see the initial elbow and he thought I ejected his player. He asked my wife to pass along his apologies!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by rainmaker

As long as it's not too sarcastic, it really seems to pour cold water on the flames.

You mean, as in, "Oh, thank you. I hadn't realized that. I hate to admit this, but you obviously study the rulebook much more than I do. I can only squeeze in about 4 hours a week. You know, for someone of your obvious emotional and intellectual stature to take time away from sitting on your lazy butt and correct my obvious misunderstanding of the rules is a real honor for me. Thank you. Thank you. [bowing] Thank you."

I will try to use this at my AAU girls' games this Saturday. Thanks for the tip, Juulie!

[Dan_ref]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

You mean, as in, "Oh, thank you. I hadn't realized that. I hate to admit this, but you obviously study the rulebook much more than I do. I can only squeeze in about 4 hours a week. You know, for someone of your obvious emotional and intellectual stature to take time away from sitting on your lazy butt and correct my obvious misunderstanding of the rules is a real honor for me. Thank you. Thank you. [bowing] Thank you."

Awww...Chuck's havin' a bad day...

I will try to use this at my AAU girls' games this Saturday. Thanks for the tip, Juulie!

"Ball ball ball ball ball ball ball ball...."

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Dan_ref
Awww...Chuck's havin' a bad day...

Heck no. Not at all. Just brushing up for my games Saturday, that's all. My sarcasm is a bit rusty after not working in over a month.

"Ball ball ball ball ball ball ball ball...."

Gotta find those earplugs, too. . .

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Dan_ref

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Awww...Chuck's havin' a bad day...

[/B][/QUOTE]JR to the RESCUE!!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
JR to the RESCUE!!

In case I wasn't clear. . . Heck, no!!!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally posted by DrakeM
"WHY DID YOU CALL THAT!?"

Davism - "One of the voices in my head told me to".

[sj]

If their questioning you on rules but just won't believe you just calmly ask if they want to bet $100 on it. Works almost every time. This is for non-school games only. AAU, etc. I haven't used it in a regular season game.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by sj
If their questioning you on rules but just won't believe you just calmly ask if they want to bet $100 on it.

Nah,just tell 'em that the winner gets to watch the rest of the game.