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What I'm talking about is not about judgment....it is about absolutes. The only judgement in this case is whether the player has it at their disposal or not....and that is a judgment call only when a player may be delaying the throwin by not picking up the ball or taking it out of bounds. However, when the player has the ball OOB and is in a position to make a throwin, there is no judgment to it....by rule, the count should be on. If 8, 9 or more seconds transpire after that point, someone better have something. When the final buzzer sounds and you're asked about the play by your assignor, I don't want to be left with saying I knew it should have been called but did nothing and point the finger at my partner. And the play I referred to was indeed different, but it was a player where the crew was held responsible for what was the responsibility of one official. |
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But the continuing discussion was not about the sit. in the OP. It was a what-if....what if the time was much, much more and not just barely 5 seconds since the ball fell through the basket...what if the clock ran down 10+ seconds (or maybe 20+ seconds) with the thrower standing OOB with the ball. The question was about what point should/will another official step in and either make the call or simply stop the clock to address the unusual delay? Are you saying there is no point at all? To the extreme just to illustrate the point, would you let it go 5 minutes without stepping in? |
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Playing along -- I would probably stop the game and have a conversation with my partner. But it would be a long time after 5 seconds. |
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My first instinct, after 12-15 seconds or so, would be to look down at the end line to see if my partner is okay. If so, I'd give it another five seconds or so before blowing the whistle and checking with him. |
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I was at a college tryout camp this summer when the T and C were the only two people in the gym not to see a travel about three steps over the division line. When the clinician brought us together, I said I had seen it from the lead, but there was no way I would ever call that...particularly when I am being evaluated.
The clinician agreed it was not usually a good call from that far, but it was so obvious that he felt I should have come in late...but really strong and made the proper call. Even with that advice, I don't think I can do it. |
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The approach that you suggest is what I was getting at....at SOME point, you can't just ignore it and leave it on your partner. And as for the the Duke video, probably not. It wouldn't be something I'd pick up from Lead. I wouldn't be looking for it and it is not something you can know without looking for it. |
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Sorry Rich...but, I gotta see this "trainwreck". How would you search it on YouTube? |
It's embedded on the first post of the thread.
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IMO...you handled that beautifully. I only watched it once. I told myself to watch it and do what I would normally do as if I was the "new trail". I had a 4 count...your partner was nuts. |
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As a friend of mine says, "It is what it is." Hard to believe that was over 2 years ago, though. |
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