Stolen from YouTube....
 

I can't tell you how much I enjoyed this. I was laughing out loud. Not sure if anyone's ever posted this, so I will here:

New York High School Basketball Coaches Chew The Ref's Ass - YouTube

"I didn't even curse!"

My fantasy answer to one of the lines:

"It's the first time in 22 years of coaching...."

"No it isn't."

I whacked a coach during a Christmas tournament two years ago and he told me, "That's only my third technical in 14 years." When I got together with a group of officials at the watering hole afterwards, there were 6 technicals in the last 5 years *at my table*.

So anytime a coach uses a line like that, I assume they're lying or incredibly forgetful.

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Nice! Entertaining!

"Whaaaaat?"

I guess when it comes to coaches, EVERYONE is That Guy.

... "I didn't say anything."

One season I gave a notoriously a-hole coach a T in the first 4 minutes of the first game of the season. I didn't have him again for another 7-8 weeks. He runs into me in the hallway before the game and says "that's the only T I have had all season" and to which I responded (in my early years before I had a filter) "I doubt that".

Needless to say, that evening he became the only coach I ever tossed by giving back-to-back T's. And it occurred while his team was up by 40 points in the 3rd quarter during a dead ball in which his team was about to shoot 2 free throws following an intentional foul by the opposing team.

Ha Ha ha !! Excellent Rich, thanks for the Christmas present!

Great stuff! My thoughts...

0:23 "But even if you're bobbling or moving with the ball, that's a travel! .... You have to get possession first? I've never heard that."

Really? The first thing we were taught in ref school was the concept of CONTROL, and how so many things are affected by it.

1:09 Did the official have his hands up for a whack?

1:44 "There's a flow to this game!"

Not if the rules are broken.

2:19 If that coach got a T earlier, why is he still on his feet? Different rules in New York, I assume.

And one for the coach...

0:15 "If the kid's standing in the paint, you can't say 'you gotta (get out)' ... that's a three-second call."

If that's what happened, that's a legitimate beef, IMO.

Last night I had a team whose center just couldn't help herself -- she committed 2 quick fouls and her coach yanked her. He crawled up my butt over the second foul (which, BTW, was a no brainer on-the-back on a rebound foul that displaced the player with position), calling it a touch foul and saying that "you call that touch foul at that end and our players have forearms all over them all the time." By that point (we were late in the first quarter) we had already called 7 fouls against the visiting team and the 2 on the center were the only fouls against his team in the game (the coaches do it, why can't I? -- no I didn't say it to him, although I was *sorely* tempted). He really crawled up my butt to the point where I finally had to tell him that I heard him and that I had heard enough.

The girl came back in during the second quarter and promptly picked up her third foul and came out.

She came back in midway through the third quarter and promptly picked up her fourth when she contested a shot she had no business contesting. Out she went.

She came back in with 6 minutes left in the game and fouled out 2 a few trips later when she committed a foul almost 80 feet from the basket.

She never adjusted her style (whatever it was) and probably played less than 8 minutes of the game. Her team still won handily.

Well, that's what we're taught to do where I live (in regards to 3 seconds). Advise, advise, advise, advise, then penalize.

I prefer, "Keep moving, keep moving" said in that player's direction. That doesn't imply that someone's in there too long at the moment and could be just vague enough to be a banana for the HM.

I had a 3-second violation in my first game and I don't think I've had one in a game since. I've had plenty of people yell it, usually when the ball is bouncing on the rim after a shot attempt.

4 warnings before calling?

Personally I tell guys to get out but not so noticeably that the coach actually notices that I'm doing it. But I will call 3 seconds if I have to, even without first warning. Depends on the situation.

In the video, the coach wasn't obnoxious in his approch and he presented a legitimate gripe (assuming that's what happened) so I would definitely keep an eye out for it.

There it is. It looks like Roman Law reigns again.

If I see a legitimate attempt (and execution) to get out of the lane, I'll hold that call. If I see no attempt, it's a violation. Sometimes, people only learn via consequences. I agree with the coach in this video; it's not our job to coach. Just make the call.

Rich stole my video!!!!
 

Honestly, this was just hilarious to me. Just a bunch of whining coaches about things that really I could give a darn about and many other officials could give a darn about. I might have laughed at most of the comments if said.

Peace

Least favorite call one keep moving and after that blow the whistle.

Murphy's law, whenever I'm watching for 3 seconds, I miss something.

Continuing warnings are dead wrong.

Continuing warnings are tiresome. If I'm still talking to post players in the third quarter, I'm not getting my message across. I'll talk early, but a whistle and an off-ball foul will get the message across much better, I've found.

You've never talked a kid out of the lane? :eek:

I went to an IAABO camp one summer, and your butt got chewed bigtime if the clinicians heard you talking to kids in the lane. That said, outside of the jurisdiction where Bainsey officiates, get out talk was frequently used. Unofficially. IAABOwise.

Stupidity. I guess you aren't suppose to talk to kids about hands out front or pushing in the low post either. :rolleyes:

Just another reason I'm glad I live in an IAABO-free world.

I am going to have to agree. IAABO seems from another universe. So glad I do not have to work under that stuff either.

Peace

I learned a lot under IAABO. Sometimes, there was a difference in opinion in various areas, though. Some of the mechanics used in one area under IAABO would definitely not have been used in Maine. One thing that is stressed is to constantly go to camps, seek advice, and to improve one's game. Some of the stuff I do in games down in FL, such as get out-knock it off type of stuff, I learned up north.

You say stupidity. I say enforcement. Either way, you do what you're taught.

I don't see a big deal about whistling a three-seconds violation, or any foul in the low post (providing I watch the play through). But again, I was taught that it's not a big deal. IAABO is my universe (travel and rec league games notwithstanding), so like anywhere else, you adhere to the celestial laws.

I talk a fair amount officiating soccer ("hands DOWN!"... "keeper has it" .... "PLAY ON!!!"), but it helps when you don't have to keep the whistle in your mouth.

Now, that's something that you'll find in any universe!

I work in IAABO land as well, and we are expected to talk them out of the paint. Normally, I say "get out of the lane," and I've never, not once, had a coach complain.

Now, if I'm saying it all game, it's a problem. I think I'll try "keep moving" and see how it works.

But the fact is, in my big square of IAABO land, the practice is expected rather than condemned.

That's the one I use quite a bit. I do it early and don't keep doing it all game. They get the hint 99% of the time.

I could be wrong, but I believe NY uses modified NCAA rules rather than NFHS rules.

Or could he be talking about another game?

Peace

Quite honestly, I have a greater problem with partners who chew on me for calling 3 seconds AFTER I HAVE TOLD THE PLAYER TO LEAVE THE PAINT QUITE DISTINCTLY than I do with guys telling players to get out.

Three Seconds ...
 

And don't you just love it?

[QUOTE=RichMSN;807779]I prefer, "Keep moving, keep moving" said in that player's direction.
I stole that from one of your posts about three -four years ago and it works well for me. How many times do other officials warn before calling three seconds? I usually give two verbal hints and then bust them at the varsity level.

Yup......

That was the best one!! LOL

I enjoyed the ending comment - "you got outplayed, don't blame the referees".

Maybe you do but a 3 second call doesn't need you to have your eyes fixated on the player for the whole duration. I say "Clear" once. if the player makes no attempt then they get the violation. In an average varsity contest I might have 1 or 2 on the girls side and maybe one on the boys side.

We probably shouldn't play this video at new official training classes. :)

Really? One per game in boys varsity? I may have one per month and I'm not afraid to make this call when it's there and needs to be made.

I'll probably call it 3 or 4 times in a season.

Yup, once a month. :D

I've called one so far this season in 14 varsity games. By the time the players get to the varsity level, they should know to "keep moving."

:D

I'll end up giving more reminders in JV games, but I don't normally call it much more.

I called one tonight.

Worked a 6:20 game (the 7th of 8 games with only 1:35 between games and they were on schedule) and was off the floor by 7:35. Eight minute halftime, no anthem. Me likey.

College length floor, 2-whistle. A good run tonight. I watched the first quarter of the finale - a boys game with 2 of the top 2 big school teams in the area. Again, 2-whistle. Those guys were really hauling a$$.

+1

I'd extend that down to middle school, as well. I remember being taught this rule playing pee-wee basketball at age 9, and even back then, no-one ever told us to keep moving. You learn from making those infractions.

I think you misread me. I'm a proponent of telling them to "keep moving" but this was not early and pretty blatant.