"You suck"

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have never called a flagrant T on anybody.

And in reflecting back on techs I have called I now realize I have never called a T on a coach for cursing. All the T's I've called on coaches have been for either outbursts and/or sideline antics.

Plenty of T's on players for cursing, but never anything flagrant or even close that I can remember.

In 8 years, I have called 2 flagrant fouls on players. One in a GJV game when a player literally threw a punch in a held ball situation. The other in a BJV game when a player driving to the basket was pushed in the back while he was in the air for a layup. he was pushed so hard he hit the wall 5 feet behind the end line.

I have ejected one coach in my career. It wasn't a flagarant, although it could've been so. But it was his 2d T so it was effective non the less. The coach yelled to my partner after the final horn as we were running off the court "You guys f---ing suck." When my partner told me what he said it was a pleasant short walk back to his bench to come up to him and assess him the T. My words were as follows, "Coach,since we have not left the visual confines of the floor, I am going to assess you a T for your outburst at my partner. Enjoy your vacation." (2 game suspensiom, $100 fine)

[BballRookie]

So help me get this straight: (in broad terms, the last being where I'm confused)

Intentional: end of game, team A needs a foul and clearly is not going for the ball when they push a member of team B. Not too crazy, but they'd been warned.

Technical: player drops loud f bomb, coach gets carried away, etc.

( here is where I'm confused)
Flagrant Technical:
A punch is thrown(that one is fairly clear, I think).
Low bridge, if intentional?
Saying "you suck"? (seems like a tech and a zero leash IMO)

With the administration of this call, do you point to the door, signal a tech, then clarify with the table the level of the technical?

[APG]

You have your base calls of a personal fouls and technical fouls.

Personal foul=live ball contact
Technical foul=dead ball or noncontact fouls

Personal fouls and technical fouls have different modifiers that describe what kind of foul it can be. That's where you get your double personal fouls, double technical fouls, intentional personal fouls, intentional technical foul, etc.

There is technically no official signal for when one had to DQ a player/ejected a coach. You just report the foul as a flagrant foul/T, inform the coach, tell the table to put 20 on the clock, and inform the player.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

There is technically no official signal for when one had to DQ a player/ejected a coach. You just report the foul as a flagrant foul/T, inform the coach, tell the table to put 20 on the clock, and inform the player.

I called one Flagrant Foul and it was for an elbow to the fact. I first gave the Intentional Foul signal as I really did not know what else to do. Then when my partner came up to me and said, "You are going to eject him right?" I said sure I was and the signal I gave was the old "heave ho" signal after I reported the foul. I am not saying that is right, but I have yet to meet anyone that totally disagrees with that procedure.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I called one Flagrant Foul and it was for an elbow to the fact. I first gave the Intentional Foul signal as I really did not know what else to do. Then when my partner came up to me and said, "You are going to eject him right?" I said sure I was and the signal I gave was the old "heave ho" signal after I reported the foul. I am not saying that is right, but I have yet to meet anyone that totally disagrees with that procedure.

Peace

If someone is getting DQ/ejected, then I almost always give the "heave ho" signal. It's a universal signal that no one will mistaken.

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I called one Flagrant Foul and it was for an elbow to the fact. I first gave the Intentional Foul signal as I really did not know what else to do. Then when my partner came up to me and said, "You are going to eject him right?" I said sure I was and the signal I gave was the old "heave ho" signal after I reported the foul. I am not saying that is right, but I have yet to meet anyone that totally disagrees with that procedure.

Peace

In both player cases, I followed the same mechanic. Think we could gt the NFHS to make it official?

[REFANDUMP]

If you can't handle a "you suck" that isn't even being verbalized without tossing a kid, I'd have to agree with him. A "T" is warranted, but nothing else.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

If you can't handle a "you suck" that isn't even being verbalized without tossing a kid, I'd have to agree with him. A "T" is warranted, but nothing else.

Really? A 12-year-old mouths "you suck" and an ejection is over-reacting?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by REFANDUMP

If you can't handle a "you suck" that isn't even being verbalized without tossing a kid, I'd have to agree with him. A "T" is warranted, but nothing else.

Mouthing is verbalizing quietly, I'm not saying I'd toss every time, but your insinuation here is misguided. MS game? Have a seat, son

[constable]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

In both player cases, I followed the same mechanic. Think we could gt the NFHS to make it official?

Good idea but unlikely to happen. Makes to much sense for NFHS to do it.