"You suck"

[refiator]

Definitely a "T". Not so sure I'd rule it flagrant, unless it was loud enough for all to hear.

[just another ref]

From the definition of a flagrant foul:

".....a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct."

I consider it to be unacceptable for a kid of any age to tell an official that he sucks.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

From the definition of a flagrant foul:

".....a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct."

I consider it to be unacceptable for a kid of any age to tell an official that he sucks.

That's great, but pretty much all technical fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct fit that description.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

That's great, but pretty much all technical fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct fit that description.

If you feel that way, you should make pretty much all your technical fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct flagrant.

[Rob1968]

Player: "Ref, you suck!"
Official: "Only when I use a straw ... And, by the way, that's expensive!" ... Whack!

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

If you feel that way, you should make pretty much all your technical fouls for unsportsmanlike conduct flagrant.

If the conduct was acceptable, we wouldn't be calling a technical foul in the first place.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by just another ref

From the definition of a flagrant foul:

".....a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct."

I consider it to be unacceptable for a kid of any age to tell an official that he sucks.

That means different things to different people and always will. There are some that want use to throw out players or coaches if they say "Jesus Christ." The problem is not everyone is a believer in the same religion or has the same values if they are. We can play that game with any number of words, not just these words.

Peace

[APG]

Originally Posted by just another ref

From the definition of a flagrant foul:

".....a technical noncontact foul which displays unacceptable conduct."

I consider it to be unacceptable for a kid of any age to tell an official that he sucks.

All noncontact technical fouls involves an act that is unacceptable conduct. You failed to include the latter part of the definition:

"If technical, it involves dead-ball contact or noncontact at any time which is extreme or persistent, vulgar or abusive conduct.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

If the conduct was acceptable, we wouldn't be calling a technical foul in the first place.

Exactly

[NCHSAA]

"You Suck"? Not vulgar in my opinion. Definitely at Tech though.

Now once a college player called me a S.O.B, needless to say that wasn't a hard decision to make.

[Raymond]

I have never called a flagrant T on anybody.

And in reflecting back on techs I have called I now realize I have never called a T on a coach for cursing. All the T's I've called on coaches have been for either outbursts and/or sideline antics.

Plenty of T's on players for cursing, but never anything flagrant or even close that I can remember.

[APG]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have never called a flagrant T on anybody.

And in reflecting back on techs I have called I now realize I have never called a T on a coach for cursing. All the T's I've called on coaches have been for either outbursts and/or sideline antics.

Plenty of T's on players for cursing, but never anything flagrant or even close that I can remember.

I have called exactly one...a player attempted to kick an opponent and missed.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have never called a flagrant T on anybody.

And in reflecting back on techs I have called I now realize I have never called a T on a coach for cursing. All the T's I've called on coaches have been for either outbursts and/or sideline antics.

Plenty of T's on players for cursing, but never anything flagrant or even close that I can remember.

I have called a Flagrant foul, but not a Flagrant T. I cannot imagine what words would be used that were not racial or gender driven that would require such an action from me. I am sure something will happen in my career, I just have not seen it yet.

Peace

[Ignats75]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I have never called a flagrant T on anybody.

And in reflecting back on techs I have called I now realize I have never called a T on a coach for cursing. All the T's I've called on coaches have been for either outbursts and/or sideline antics.

Plenty of T's on players for cursing, but never anything flagrant or even close that I can remember.

In 8 years, I have called 2 flagrant fouls on players. One in a GJV game when a player literally threw a punch in a held ball situation. The other in a BJV game when a player driving to the basket was pushed in the back while he was in the air for a layup. he was pushed so hard he hit the wall 5 feet behind the end line.

I have ejected one coach in my career. It wasn't a flagarant, although it could've been so. But it was his 2d T so it was effective non the less. The coach yelled to my partner after the final horn as we were running off the court "You guys f---ing suck." When my partner told me what he said it was a pleasant short walk back to his bench to come up to him and assess him the T. My words were as follows, "Coach,since we have not left the visual confines of the floor, I am going to assess you a T for your outburst at my partner. Enjoy your vacation." (2 game suspensiom, $100 fine)

[BballRookie]

So help me get this straight: (in broad terms, the last being where I'm confused)

Intentional: end of game, team A needs a foul and clearly is not going for the ball when they push a member of team B. Not too crazy, but they'd been warned.

Technical: player drops loud f bomb, coach gets carried away, etc.

( here is where I'm confused)
Flagrant Technical:
A punch is thrown(that one is fairly clear, I think).
Low bridge, if intentional?
Saying "you suck"? (seems like a tech and a zero leash IMO)

With the administration of this call, do you point to the door, signal a tech, then clarify with the table the level of the technical?