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constable Thu Dec 15, 2011 03:47am

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 804899)
Yes, it's from the IAABO manual.


Hmmm.. I can't find it in my manual...

page reference?

Huntin' Ref Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:38am

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 804823)
...and the table crew actually observes you.

No, not the table crew. State assigned personnel.

Huntin' Ref Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:40am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 804822)
What I want to know is: If NO official signaled a 3-pt field goal then why in the world did the Scoreboard Operator add three points to the score?

MTD, Sr.

MTD, I have no idea. I just got a copy of the game and watched the play. My partners didn't signal a 3 in any way and one of them "mirrored" a 2 when he saw me (but it was 10+ feet out of his primary). Absolutely no reason for the table to put up a 3, just shows they don't watch us like they should I guess......

SCalScoreKeeper Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:55am

Can you post video of the play in question?

Huntin' Ref Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:03pm

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 805039)
Can you post video of the play in question?

I am not sure if I can, but I will try. It took 4 hours to download it from the link the coach shared with me. They use sportsfilmexchange.com so if you know how to post the video please let me know.

Raymond Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:50pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 804808)
I know it's not an "approved" mechanic...

but, if there is a really close shot (near the 3pt. line) and the shooter has indeed stepped on the line...

I look at the table and descretely put two fingers near my mid-section.

9 out of 10 times, the table crew looks like they have no idea if the shot should count as 3 or 2...then when I give them the "2" signal, they looked relieved and nod their head up and down.

Again...it might not be a "pure" mechanic...but, it sure alleviates possible problems such as the one in the OP.

"Just Communicate Baby";)

In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

JugglingReferee Thu Dec 15, 2011 12:57pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 805078)
In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

Yup. They see every other call we make - travelling, blocking, etc. No need to 'hide' this one as well.

Rich Thu Dec 15, 2011 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 804808)
I know it's not an "approved" mechanic...

but, if there is a really close shot (near the 3pt. line) and the shooter has indeed stepped on the line...

I look at the table and descretely put two fingers near my mid-section.

9 out of 10 times, the table crew looks like they have no idea if the shot should count as 3 or 2...then when I give them the "2" signal, they looked relieved and nod their head up and down.

Again...it might not be a "pure" mechanic...but, it sure alleviates possible problems such as the one in the OP.

"Just Communicate Baby";)

I'm not even discrete. Two fingers up towards the table, same as if I'm reporting a foul. Sometimes we're so worried about whether something's approved that we forget to communicate.

RookieDude Thu Dec 15, 2011 02:19pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 805078)
In this situation I would not have been discreet. Everyone in the gym would have seen me putting up 2 fingers to the scorer's table.

I don't care if "everyone in the gym" sees me...as long as my table crew sees the signal and the appropriate score gets recorded, I'm good.

...but, to each his own.

jdw3018 Thu Dec 15, 2011 02:24pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 805087)
I'm not even discrete. Two fingers up towards the table, same as if I'm reporting a foul. Sometimes we're so worried about whether something's approved that we forget to communicate.

Bingo.

Raymond Thu Dec 15, 2011 02:31pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude (Post 805094)
I don't care if "everyone in the gym" sees me...as long as my table crew sees the signal and the appropriate score gets recorded, I'm good.

...but, to each his own.

Last second shot, 1-3-point game, shooter anywhere near 3-point line. I'm not going to play hide-n-seek with my mechanics. I want both coaches completely aware. Also want the game film to pick it up. That way IF the improper score gets recorded, as it was in this case, there is no doubt or discussion needed as to what we (the officials) ruled.

But like you said, to each his own.

BillyMac Thu Dec 15, 2011 08:29pm

It's Because We're Special ...
 
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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804878)
Billy, I'm not seeing this in my book. This is an IAABO image?

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Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP (Post 804899)
Yes, it's from the IAABO manual.

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Originally Posted by constable (Post 804946)
I can't find it in my manual, page reference?

As far as I know, this signal is only approved in Connecticut.

BillyMac Thu Dec 15, 2011 08:30pm

Misty Water Color Memories ...
 
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Originally Posted by Scratch85 (Post 804845)
You must have missed the old days.

I was there.

SCalScoreKeeper Fri Dec 16, 2011 02:05am

It probably was a case of operator error where the scoreboard operator thought he put a two up there but it actually recorded three and no one noticed.

Eagle-the only way table height could've been an issue is if it was a shot from the wings closest to the table and everyone was screened out of a look at the signal for whatever reason.

chseagle Fri Dec 16, 2011 02:33am

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Originally Posted by SCalScoreKeeper (Post 805234)
Eagle-the only way table height could've been an issue is if it was a shot from the wings closest to the table and everyone was screened out of a look at the signal for whatever reason.

This is what I am meaning that if the table is court level, it can, at times, be hard to see officials' signals due to coaches or players being in the way.

We were running the table last year, in Gym 2, in the stands 2 rows up and there's a slightly different view of the court as you can look over players/coaches.

Now the table is court level opposite from the stands.

Same thing applies in Gym 1 depending on the level of the game being played, for the JH games the table is 2 rows up in the stands (same goes for C-squad only nights). majority of the time however the table is court level.

A possible solution for the OP would have been to pre-game with the table crew about watching the officials closely for the 3-pt. successful mechanic on those plays that are on the arc line.


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