Defender slaps ball out of inbounder's hands
 

What's the call? I'm having trouble finding the rule. Had this happen not once, but twice last night.

Where was the ball in relation to the OOB plane?

Where is the ball? Is the ball on the outside of the boundary plane? Or inside the court?

Where did the thrower have the ball when it was slapped?

she was holding it at her chest (ie not in the motion of throwing it in) both times. So it was behind the line.

Technical...both times

And the first time it's ALSO a DOG warning (unless one had already been issued).

If she was standing close enough to the line, holding it at her chest could leave part of the ball over the in bounds side of the line, but assuming the ball was completely OOB, Toren and Bob have answered.

9.2.10 SITUATION A: A1 is out of bounds for a throw-in. B1 reaches through the boundary plane and knocks the ball out of A1’s hands. Team B has not been warned previously for a throw-in plane infraction.

RULING: B1 is charged with a technical foul and it also results in the official having a team warning recorded and reported to the head coach.

COMMENT: In situations with the clock running and five or less seconds left in the game, a throw-in plane violation or interfering with the ball following a goal should be ignored if its only purpose is to stop the clock. However, if the tactic in any way interferes with the thrower’s efforts to make a throw-in, a technical foul for delay shall be called even though no previous warning had been issued. In this situation, if the official stopped the clock and issued a team warning, it would allow the team to benefit from the tactic. (4-47-1; 10-1-5b, c; 10-3-10)

I'm glad you didn't ask how big her chest was, that's a different forum :D

OK, cool, we T'd both of them up. So if part of the ball is over the line what is the call?

Both of these were not just the defender tapping or touching the ball, they both forcefully knocked it out of the inbounder's hands.

7.6.4 SITUATION A: While attempting a throw-in, A1 holds the ball through the plane of the end line. B1: (a) slaps the ball from A1’s hand(s); or (b) simply grabs the ball and then throws it through B’s basket. RULING: In (a), no violation has occurred and play continues. In (b), score two points for Team B.

If the ball is on the in bounds side, it's a legal play.

OK, what if part of the ball in inbounds and part is OOB and the defender slaps the ball on the inbounds side? A few years ago, I had this happen. I was told that if any part of the ball is OOB and any part of the ball is slapped (even the part that was inbounds), you make the call.

I guess it's part of the same thinking that caused the rule change this year about fouling the inbounders hands while they're over the court is the same intentional foul call as if the contact occurred with the part of their hand that was OOB. It's just too tough for the official to make that distinction.

Comments?

Wow. In all my years of playing/coaching and now reffing I did not know that. Thanks. I would imagine if that happened in live action coaches and fans would freak the freak out.

Isnt the ball either on the inbounds or out-of-bounds side of the plane?

Why does the ball have to be completely out of bounds? If the defender reaches through the plane and touches the part of the ball on that side, it is still a technical, is it not?

It isn't really where the ball is that matters. It is where the defenders hands are.

If the defenders hands remain on the inbounds side of the plane, you have a legal play.

If the defenders hands cross through the plane, you have an illegal play. The penalty depends on what they touch while reaching through the plane. If the touch nothing, delay of game. If they touch the ball, technical foul. If they touch the thrower, intentional personal foul.

(Note that not reaching through the plane but touching the thrower has reached through...presumably with the ball....has also recently been declared an intentional personal foul. It doesn't make any sense, but that hasn't stopped the recent rules committees from making changes).

So no warning on on the first time they do it? Warnings only on inbounds plane violations and not hitting the ball?

What if the thrower has broken the plane with the ball and part of his/her arm.

In attempt to play the ball, the defender makes contact with throwers arm - which has broken the plane?

Is this an intentional foul or common foul?

No. A T or an IP foul is ALSO the first warning. If they then break the plane again (without hitting the ball / arm), it's another T.

Intentional

Unfortunately, that is the current ruling.

It doesn't really make sense that you are allowed to play the ball but if you miss and get a little arm, you get an intentional foul, but that is what the rules committee has decided. I think they have a minimum quota of nonsensical rulings that they must make each year.

Well I guess we could treat that as incidental unless the contact rises to the level of an intentional foul. Not exactly what they wanted but I'm just saying...

Furthermore ...
 

The defender may not break the imaginary plane during a throwin until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass. If the defender breaks the imaginary plane during a throwin before the ball has been released on a throw-in pass, the defender’s team will receive a team delay warning, or if the team has already been warned for one of the four delay situations, this action would result in a team technical foul. If the defender contacts the ball after breaking the imaginary plane, it is a player technical foul and a team delay warning will be recorded. If the defender breaks the imaginary plane, and fouls the inbounding player, it is an intentional personal foul, and a team delay warning will be recorded. It is an intentional personal foul if the defender fouls the inbounding player, even without breaking the imaginary plane, however, in this specific case, there is no delay of game warning because the defender did not break the boundary plane.

Don't think so. If there's contact, it's an intentional foul. Now, if the contact is missed, ...

Sure it does. Before the change, the penalty for hitting the ball was more severe than the penalty for hitting the player.

Good point, I guess in this case there is no such thing as incidental contact. I still don't like it.

Wonder about contact with the hand....

What penalty for hitting the ball? It was LEGAL to hit the ball. Remember, the contact we're talking about is on the inbounds side of the line.

Intentional Foul.

What's the call if the ball has been released by the player inbounding the ball, but is still on the out of bounds side of the line and is touched by the defender? Is the ball awarded to the same inbounding team again for another inbounds play?

Most of the questions can be answered by the wording in 9-2 (penalty 3) and 10-3-10. The technical foul is for reaching through the boundary plane and dislodging the ball while it is in possession of the thrower or being passed between teammates out of bounds.

So the answer to your question depends on where the thrower was throwing the ball. If he was throwing to a teammate OOB, T. If he had released the throwin pass, play on.

Not to pick nits but is the T for dislodging or for simply touching the ball?

Yes, according to 10-3-10. Typed that out to quickly.

Got it. I was scrambling for my book because I was afraid I had not remembered correctly.