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Toren Wed Dec 14, 2011 09:53am

Continuous Motion
 
I had a play last night that I'm very anxious to see on tape. I won't get the tape until tomorrow. Here is how it went.

Two man crew for a boys varsity. I'm the lead and action came straight down the middle. Offensive player shoots and the defensive player in trying to block the shot hits the offensive player in the head. I have a whistle and I stand firm to keep all players in my view to make sure this doesn't escalate. The offensive player kind of rolls around a bit and then seems fine and gets up.

As I start to move to report, my partner is signaling to me to count the basket. Wait, what? He made it? Hmm, somewhere in my periphery I thought I saw the ball bounce off the basket. Okay I trust my partner (sort of). I go to report, I count the basket, report the number etc. I go away from the table and the table beckons me back. I go back to the table and they ask me, "Count the basket?" I say my partner says the basket went in so we are going with that. They look at me and say "we didn't see the basket go in." I said neither did I, but my partner did.

It was a blow out game, so one point didn't make any difference at all, but it left me wondering how I could have handled better. Should I have looked at the shot once I had the foul? Or should I have stayed with shooter, like I did, to make sure this didn't escalate and he was okay?

Thanks

bob jenkins Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:02am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 804579)
Should I have looked at the shot once I had the foul? Or should I have stayed with shooter, like I did, to make sure this didn't escalate and he was okay?

Stay with the shooter as you did.

Given your questions, and the questioning by the table, you could ask your partner for confirmation.

Smitty Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:18am

What does this have to do with continuous motion?

Toren Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:22am

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Originally Posted by Smitty (Post 804593)
What does this have to do with continuous motion?

Not much, but it got your attention :cool:

Honestly, I just couldn't think of a title

tref Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:31am

Multi-tasking
 
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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 804579)
Should I have looked at the shot once I had the foul? Or should I have stayed with shooter, like I did, to make sure this didn't escalate and he was okay?

Thanks

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 804583)
Stay with the shooter as you did.

Given your questions, and the questioning by the table, you could ask your partner for confirmation.

Besides sneaking a peek while observing the shooter, ^^ that would've been the only other thing you could've done better. Whenever there is conflicting info from the table crew & floor officials I take an extra moment to get it right.

I had a similar situation but it was 3 person, my partner (L & R) told me to count the basket. I didnt think it went in (C) but hey, I trust my partner. The T came in & said no it went in on a tip by another player. After watching the film, it never went in at all, just as I originally thought.
I began sneaking peeks ever since then.

JugglingReferee Wed Dec 14, 2011 01:25pm

I do what bob says. I think I asked my P once and he admitted he wasn't sure. The table described exactly what happened to the ball. So I went their assessment and awarded 2 shots with no basket.

Toren Fri Dec 16, 2011 01:32am

Conclusion
 
So I viewed the game film. Not sure what my partner was looking at but the ball didn't even hit the rim, it skimmed off the backboard fairly hard and never had a shot.

Good part is I make him signal 4 or 5 times that the shot went, so you see his hand moving as in a "count it" fashion. I also close down and you can see me asking him and he again makes his motion.

tref Fri Dec 16, 2011 09:56am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 805232)
So I viewed the game film. Not sure what my partner was looking at but the ball didn't even hit the rim, it skimmed off the backboard fairly hard and never had a shot.

Good part is I make him signal 4 or 5 times that the shot went, so you see his hand moving as in a "count it" fashion. I also close down and you can see me asking him and he again makes his motion.

Did you burn him a copy :D

bainsey Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:17am

Whereas the table is on "our" team, we should only consider thoughts from the official scorer and timekeeper, right? If the visiting scorekeeper has a conflicting viewpoint, then I'd smell a rat, but we can't consider his/her thoughts on the matter, I assume.

Sapper33 Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:29am

How do you
 
get copies of video of games you do? We don't even get evals here in KS...

bob jenkins Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:35am

Ask the school(s).

Toren Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:39am

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Originally Posted by Sapper33 (Post 805303)
get copies of video of games you do? We don't even get evals here in KS...

Are you secretly Yoda?

This was the first time EVER that a coach actually provided it to me. To make it easy for a coach, you may want to ask before the game, two or three days, provide a dvd with a self addressed stamped envelope. Then all the coach has to do is burn a copy and stuff it, put it in the mailbox.

Sometimes it still doesn't work, but any film is better than no film.

tref Fri Dec 16, 2011 10:55am

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 805308)
To make it easy for a coach, you may want to ask before the game, two or three days, provide a dvd with a self addressed stamped envelope. Then all the coach has to do is burn a copy and stuff it, put it in the mailbox.

And if that doesnt work you can always bring your own camera crew.

Personally, I'm only getting 25% of my HS games on DVD & many times 2-3 weeks later, after I've worked many other games. We get the most out of film breakdown by doing it within 48 hours.

I'm STILL waiting on a game from week 1 that ended with an unsuccessful 3 point try at the buzzer & also incuded 2 no-calls on trainwrecks :-(
I did everything Toren stated & oh yeah, the home team won.
If you want something done right...


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