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NCHSAA Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:22pm
Flagrant, But Not Ejected
 
Has anyone had a Flagrant Foul that did not meet an ejection??

Fighting = Ejection
Combative Strike/Attempt - Ejection
Spitting/Biting = Ejection

What could account for just a DQ?

JRutledge Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:22pm
In HS no.

In college yes.

Peace

Welpe Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:23pm
Are you discussing something state specific? In NFHS rules there is no such thing as an ejection for a player or substitute. There is only a DQ which is applied for everything from a player fouling out to a flagrant foul for fighting.

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:29pm
Flipping it around, can you have a DQ or ejection WITHOUT a flagrant technical foul (a la Norman Dale's "kick me out of the game" scene)? I don't believe that's possible.

Scrapper1 Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:36pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804314)
Flipping it around, can you have a DQ or ejection WITHOUT a flagrant technical foul?
Sure. "Coach, that's his fifth." That's a DQ.

Adam Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:37pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 804319)
Sure. "Coach, that's his fifth." That's a DQ.
Coach, that's the third Indirect Technical Foul for you, I'm afraid you must leave the gym.

bob jenkins Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:55pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804314)
Flipping it around, can you have a DQ or ejection WITHOUT a flagrant technical foul (a la Norman Dale's "kick me out of the game" scene)? I don't believe that's possible.
You can also have an EJ of a player (err..team member) -- if someone on the bench is beign disruptive, you can send him / her out of the gym WITH adult supervision.

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:59pm
Fair enough. I'll try again.

Can you toss a coach or player without having to shoot free throws (double technicals notwithstanding)?

Scrapper1 Tue Dec 13, 2011 04:02pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804331)
Fair enough. I'll try again.

Can you toss a coach or player without having to shoot free throws (double technicals notwithstanding)?
I have heard stories about officials who have just told a coach to leave because he (the coach) was being an idiot. But I have never done this, nor can I think of rule justification for it.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 13, 2011 04:03pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804331)
Fair enough. I'll try again.

Can you toss a coach or player without having to shoot free throws (double technicals notwithstanding)?
No. Even the penalty with a direct DQ has a 2-shot component.

BillyMac Tue Dec 13, 2011 06:51pm
Like Mine Better ...
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 804320)
Coach, that's the third indirect technical foul for you, I'm afraid you must leave the gym.
Better yet: "Coach, that's the third indirect technical foul for you, I'm afraid you must go and sit on the freezing cold bus."

mbyron Wed Dec 14, 2011 09:39am
Quote:
Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804314)
Flipping it around, can you have a DQ or ejection WITHOUT a flagrant technical foul (a la Norman Dale's "kick me out of the game" scene)? I don't believe that's possible.
Could be a flagrant personal foul.


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