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Old Mon Dec 12, 2011, 11:33pm
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Bob, I would venture to say that the rules are not being as strictly enforced.

Also, since the other thread on this was closed, I wish to clarify my position. I agree that the penalty is a TF charged to the head coach of the offending team. I simply disagree with assessing it prior to the ball becoming live. Strictly speaking the officials should toss the ball and blow it dead, then assess the T. This is because the NFHS has several play rulings defining what it means "to participate" and the rule prohibits the coach allowing a team member "to participate" while wearing an illegal uniform.

Now most people probably will just charge the T and skip the jumpball, but that doesn't make it proper protocol.
If my post did not make it clear by the modifications, it is clear that they obviously do not seem to care what protocols you are referring to. So even if you or the NF cares about when or what "participating" means, it is irrelevant here (meaning Illinois). Like I said, we do not work for the NF, we work for our state organizations or association. And if they have a ruling or interpretation of how something they want handled they have the right to make that decision to either rectify the situation or do what is necessary to not have unnecessary issues. The issue here has never been when to make this calls as so much information was to give a T before the game similar to what took place years ago in the State Finals.

And now they are completely changing the rule as to what is a legal or illegal uniform. I am sure that schools across the country are also illegal but I doubt their state associations have insisted that any minor infraction be called or else (like they have here, meaning Illinois ).

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If my post did not make it clear by the modifications, it is clear that they obviously do not seem to care what protocols you are referring to. So even if you or the NF cares about when or what "participating" means, it is irrelevant here (meaning Illinois). Like I said, we do not work for the NF, we work for our state organizations or association. And if they have a ruling or interpretation of how something they want handled they have the right to make that decision to either rectify the situation or do what is necessary to not have unnecessary issues. The issue here has never been when to make this calls as so much information was to give a T before the game similar to what took place years ago in the State Finals.

And now they are completely changing the rule as to what is a legal or illegal uniform. I am sure that schools across the country are also illegal but I doubt their state associations have insisted that any minor infraction be called or else (like they have here, meaning Illinois ).

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I agree. State and local dictates trump NFHS, every time. When the guy who signs my check or gives me games tells me to do it a certain way, I do it that way regardless of how the "protocol" may be read out of the book.

As bob notes, the technical is unavoidable (assuming the coach doesn't have alternate jerseys on the bus), so actually tossing the ball is just an exercise in protocol with no other purpose.
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IHSA Press Release

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“Traditionally, we follow the NFHS Rulebook without exception, so this is certainly rare that we ask the Board of Directors to grant a rule modification, said IHSA Executive Director Marty Hickman. “However, we believe that this change makes sense and will make the lives of our coaches, student-athletes and officials easier, while also maintaining the integrity of the uniform.”

As a result of the change, schools who have previously received a waiver from the IHSA no longer need to present their waiver to the game officials.

“It’s important to note that today’s changes do not uniformly eliminate illegal uniforms,” added Gibson. “Rather, they allow exceptions to common, but illegal, uniform styles that we believe do not hinder the ability of the game officials and game administration to recognize the uniform number.”
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I agree. State and local dictates trump NFHS, every time. When the guy who signs my check or gives me games tells me to do it a certain way, I do it that way regardless of how the "protocol" may be read out of the book.

As bob notes, the technical is unavoidable (assuming the coach doesn't have alternate jerseys on the bus), so actually tossing the ball is just an exercise in protocol with no other purpose.
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