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bob jenkins Tue Dec 13, 2011 06:12pm

[QUOTE=bainsey;804383]You know the answer. Green, orange. Simple.


I disagree, sir. In fact, accurate and right are synonymous. [quote]

True in the "correct" sense of "right;" not true in the "morally superior" sense of "right."

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The bottom line is that I'm challenging a long-standing mechanic for some. When you do that, you're going to get flak. That's fine. We're officials. Since when do we care about others' emotions in pursuit of accuracy?
You could say "I think it's better to be more accurate than to have on-syllable colors." That's an opinion, and you're entitled to it. NCAAW would agree with you. Most of us wouldn't have a problem with it. IT's when you seemed to say that your opinion was the "better" "more ethical "purer" answer that some got a little upset.

For most of us, it's a "do what the assigners want" situation. If they want me to use "light-dark" or "white - colored" or "home-visitor" or "Milford - Tech" I'll do so. Most want me to use "blue - red".

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 06:21pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 804401)
You could say "I think it's better to be more accurate than to have on-syllable colors." That's an opinion, and you're entitled to it. NCAAW would agree with you. Most of us wouldn't have a problem with it. IT's when you seemed to say that your opinion was the "better" "more ethical "purer" answer that some got a little upset.

Negative, sir. See post #37.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 804401)
For most of us, it's a "do what the assigners want" situation. If they want me to use "light-dark" or "white - colored" or "home-visitor" or "Milford - Tech" I'll do so. Most want me to use "blue - red".

And there's the trump card. It's the boss's call. Thankfully, my boss knows that purple isn't blue.

Adam Tue Dec 13, 2011 06:59pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804383)
The bottom line is that I'm challenging a long-standing mechanic for some. When you do that, you're going to get flak.

Bullsh1t, you're not getting flak because you're challenging a mechanic, you're getting flak for the following comments:

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804025)
Really? Tell that to my son's team.

I know older officials that won't say "purple" or "orange." I don't see what the big deal is to spit out two syllables. Besides, it shows better respect for the team in question. Otherwise, you're just being lazy, IMO.

There's no respect issue here. And calling 99% of high school officials lazy is bound to get you some deserved blow back.

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804289)
Players. I'm not doing it for the thanks; I'm doing what's right. Besides, we've told our kids, just because others are doing it, doesn't make it right.
I'm merely walking that talk
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And here is where you leave the impression that you see this as some moral or ethical issue. That's where your argument nuked the fridge, IMO.

I personally don't give a crap what you do, if you can move up in your association while saying "purple," go ahead. Good for you. I don't find "accuracy" here to be important enough to go against the grain. I'm so used to saying red and blue by now, however, that it would take some effort not to.

fiasco Tue Dec 13, 2011 09:23pm

bainsey, I don't understand what you don't grasp about the fact that there's no right or wrong about this issue. Your moral superiority on this subject is quite nauseating.

Maineac Tue Dec 13, 2011 09:45pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804310)
Just because we haven't heard it doesn't mean it never existed.

Well, you got me. I can't argue with logic like this.

Welpe Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:23pm

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 804450)
Well, you got me. I can't argue with logic like this.

Kind of like the chupacabra I suppose.

bainsey Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:32am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 804423)
And here is where you leave the impression that you see this as some moral or ethical issue.

Asked and answered, twice. Forget morality.

fiasco Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:41am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804472)
Asked and answered, twice. Forget morality.

You obviously don't understand the concept of morality. By definition, it involves the concepts of right and wrong, which is all you have talked about in this thread.

Adam Wed Dec 14, 2011 12:43am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804472)
Asked and answered, twice. Forget morality.

No, you accused me of bringing it up. But that's why you're taking crap, not because of some imagined sacred cow.
Well, that and the part where you called officials who don't do it your way lazy. That came across a bit high-horsey.

bainsey Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:18am

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 804478)
You obviously don't understand the concept of morality.

On the contrary, sir. I understand it quite well, but this has to do with being factual, not moral.

asdf Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:42am

No wonder people think we don't have a clue.

Some guy starts a thread about humorous comments from kids and we end up with a teenaged argument on blue and purple.

I'm right.... No, I'm right.... You might be right, but......

Sheesh :o

CoachP Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:45am

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Originally Posted by asdf (Post 804600)
No wonder people think we don't have a clue.

Some guy starts a thread about humorous comments from kids and we end up with a teenaged argument on blue and purple.

I'm right.... No, I'm right.... You might be right, but......

Sheesh :o

+1

p.s. Our school colors are officially Navy and Gold.

fiasco Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:47am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804594)
On the contrary, sir. I understand it quite well, but this has to do with being factual, not moral.

Not according to this:

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804289)
Players. I'm not doing it for the thanks; I'm doing what's right. Besides, we've told our kids, just because others are doing it, doesn't make it right.
I'm merely walking that talk.

That's when you made it about morals. Notice you didn't say "I'm doing what's correct" (vs. what is incorrect). You said "I'm doing what's right" (vs. what is wrong, ie calling out blue or red)

That's okay. You keep playing your semantics games. We all know what you mean.

bainsey Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:56am

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Originally Posted by fiasco (Post 804603)
That's when you made it about morals. Notice you didn't say "I'm doing what's correct" (vs. what is incorrect).

Wow, and they say that I'm splitting hairs.

Right, correct, tomato, tomahto. You, sir, made it about morals.

And asdf, YOU are right. This is too much. I'm done with it.

fiasco Wed Dec 14, 2011 11:00am

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804605)
Wow, and they say that I'm splitting hairs.

Right, correct, tomato, tomahto. You, sir, made it about morals.

Actually, I said a long time ago in this thread that I see no right or wrong about it. It's actually not that big of a deal. I take no issue with any official doing it either way. If you want to say purple, I say go for it. If Snaqs wants to say blue, I say more power to him.

What I do take issue with is morally superior officials (like you) who want to make a point of telling other officials who choose to do something like this a certain way that they're doing something wrong.


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