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Maineac Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:21pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804289)
And, of course you've never heard someone complain. They've been led to believe that officials are heartless jerks that don't give a damn.

This sounds like your issue. I've never been accused of this, nor do I see most people being led to believe this (at least in my part of the world). They may not like some of my calls, but I've never been accused of not giving a damn. Doubtful I'd be out there if that was true.

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:23pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 804294)
"What's right"? Really? This isn't a moral or ethical choice.

Correct. This is about facts. Purple uniforms aren't blue.

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Originally Posted by JRutledge
You lost me here. We do a lot of things that have nothing to do with what the teams say or do. Our terminology is often very different than what players, coaches and fans use.

A uniform color isn't terminology.

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Originally Posted by Maineac (Post 804305)
They may not like some of my calls, but I've never been accused of not giving a damn.

Believe me, you have. We all have. Just because we haven't heard it doesn't mean it never existed.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB (Post 804016)
Never heard that official school color thing, there isnt anything I have seen in the books about it.

Its just a lot easier to use single syllable words for calling out whose ball it is, addressing coaches and players and any belligerents you cant get away from after the game.

I was also taught to use 1 syllable.

But when it comes to orange, I don't know how many syllables are in that word! :eek:

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:31pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 804313)
But when it comes to orange, I don't know how many syllables are in that word! :eek:

LOL The dictionary says there are two, but some parts of the country make it one.

Conversely, in some parts of my state the number "four" has two syllables.

Adam Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:34pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804310)
Correct. This is about facts. Purple uniforms aren't blue.

Chances are, they aren't purple or orange either, we just pick what our eyes tell us and use a color that's close.

For BNR, it's all black and white.

If you want to feel like you're on some moral high ground by using purple, yellow, orange, royal blue, fuscia, or amnesia, have at it.

But bringing "what others do" or "if all your friends were jumping off a bridge" into the discussion implies a moral or ethical issue, which this is not.

Unless, of course, you think an angel gets his wings every time an official says "purple."

Eastshire Tue Dec 13, 2011 03:39pm

The reason we use one syllable for colors is a single syllable is easier to pronounce at volume. This makes it easier for all concerned to understand what's going on. Beyond that, many of us can't tell a red from a magenta from a maroon.

I am corrected not infrequently with a "It's purple, not blue." Sometimes it's the players, sometimes it's parents. I invariable respond that officials aren't smart enough to use two syllable words which gets a laugh and dismisses the issue.

It has nothing to do with the actual color of the jersey but with the accepted mechanic. I think it's abundantly clear that one-syllable colors is the accepted mechanic.

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 04:14pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 804318)
If you want to feel like you're on some moral high ground by using purple, yellow, orange, royal blue, fuscia, or amnesia, have at it.

But bringing "what others do" or "if all your friends were jumping off a bridge" into the discussion implies a moral or ethical issue, which this is not.

Good lord, Snaqs.

For the second time, this is neither ethical nor moral. This is about accuracy. If 2+2=4, and everyone around you wants it to equal 5, it's still 4. As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

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Originally Posted by Eastshire
The reason we use one syllable for colors is a single syllable is easier to pronounce at volume. This makes it easier for all concerned to understand what's going on. Beyond that, many of us can't tell a red from a magenta from a maroon.

Nor can I. Even I can live with "red" under those circumstances.

Anyway, if we can run up and down the court with these kids, we can easily project two syllables.

bob jenkins Tue Dec 13, 2011 04:19pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804340)
Good lord, Snaqs.

For the second time, this is neither ethical nor moral. This is about accuracy.

It's a fact that "purple" is more accurate than "blue" (well, assuming the uniforms are purple).

That doesn't make it "right" as you indicated in some previous post.

Adam Tue Dec 13, 2011 04:37pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804340)
Good lord, Snaqs.

For the second time, this is neither ethical nor moral. This is about accuracy. If 2+2=4, and everyone around you wants it to equal 5, it's still 4. As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

You're the one who brought doing "the right thing" into the discussion. If you're concerned about accuracy, you're free to tackle the windmill as many times as you like.

SNIPERBBB Tue Dec 13, 2011 05:22pm

What are you going to do if you want to be accurate with the schools colors but the home team's colors are say green and gold but have to wear white when playing at home?

People arent going to worry about what color you use during the game, they might get a bit fussy if you use the wrong color in talking about the school after the game.

APG Tue Dec 13, 2011 05:33pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804340)

For the second time, this is neither ethical nor moral. This is about accuracy. If 2+2=4, and everyone around you wants it to equal 5, it's still 4. As they say, you're entitled to your own opinion, but you're not entitled to your own facts.

What if a team's color is listed as emerald green? What about if you were working the Texas Longhorns where they list their shade as burnt orange? You gonna be saying that all game long...in the name of accuracy?

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 06:00pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 804370)
What if a team's color is listed as emerald green? What about if you were working the Texas Longhorns where they list their shade as burnt orange? You gonna be saying that all game long...in the name of accuracy?

You know the answer. Green, orange. Simple.

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
It's a fact that "purple" is more accurate than "blue" (well, assuming the uniforms are purple).

That doesn't make it "right" as you indicated in some previous post.

I disagree, sir. In fact, accurate and right are synonymous.

The bottom line is that I'm challenging a long-standing mechanic for some. When you do that, you're going to get flak. That's fine. We're officials. Since when do we care about others' emotions in pursuit of accuracy?

APG Tue Dec 13, 2011 06:02pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804383)
You know the answer. Green, orange. Simple.

In that case, you're not being accurate.

bainsey Tue Dec 13, 2011 06:08pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 804386)
In that case, you're not being accurate.

:rolleyes:

Those unis are green and orange. The declared color fits.

(Here's hoping they don't play in the same game, though.)

APG Tue Dec 13, 2011 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by bainsey (Post 804394)
:rolleyes:

Those unis are green and orange. The declared color fits.

(Here's hoping they don't play in the same game, though.)

But "schools care that you get their colors right. It's their colors." ;)


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