2 Pre Game Techs
 

Anyone ever started a game with a technical foul? I think most officials do everything they can to avoid this but obviously sometimes it is warranted.
We had a game recently here where a team was issued 2 technicals for pre-game dunks. Just wondering what others would do avoid this, if anything. Coach called me this morning about the crew and claims that he did not have any time to address the first tech with his team before the second was called.
I wasn't there, but wonder if the second tech could have been avoided by better management. Wish I had seen what transpired.

Well, what happened exactly?

Don't have knowledge except from the offending coach. I am assuming the first T was warranted....the question, then, is how would you manage this to avoid the second T? Coach claims he never had a chance to address his team after the first T. I have a difficult time believing that both happened so fast that the second couldn't have been avoided....But again, I wasn't there.

Coach should have addressed this in practice, not relied on the refs to somehow give him time. Stupid whiners.

Yes actually had one tonight before the game for illegal uniforms (do not get me started). :rolleyes:

Peace

How can one have a technical for illegal uniforms BEFORE the game when the rule clearly states that is illegal for the head coach to allow a team member TO PARTICIPATE while wearing such. Hmmmm....wouldn't that mean that the ball must become live prior to this infraction occurring?

10-5-4 maybe?

You know the entire team has the same jersey that is illegal jersey and they are about to participate in that game (starters and subs). Oh and we do not work for the NF, the powers that be want a T for this before the game, which is their right to interpret the rules or make the rule more punitive if they choose. So you can save all your interpretations, semantics or even word play, no one cares what you think around here.

Peace

That's not entirely true.

People in the Illinois office care what Nevada thinks about this issue? Name one?

I will give you a day to come up with a name too. :D

Peace

I thought you meant no one on the board cares what Nevada thinks.

Nope.

Peace

If the players hate their coach so bad that they want to dunk him out of a job, its NOT MY job to save him.;) If his players are so ignorant of the rules, thats on him, not me.

The Mythbusters Can't Handle This One ...
 

I've heard this before. Is this one of those urban myths, or did it really happen?

Agreed. I'm betting he knew the rule. Therefore, he should have addressed it before his team ever took the floor for game 1.

I am not about to become the third man in the ring for the MMA Smackdown between Rut and Nevada, BUT:

"NFHS Casebook Play 3.4.5 SITUATION: Prior to the jump ball to start the game, the officials observe that the five Team B starters are all wearing pants which have (a) a manufacturer's logo and a school's mascot which meets the proper dimension limitations; or (b) a manufacturer's logo that exceeds the limitation of 2¼ square inches by 2¼ square inches in any one dimension. RULING: Legal uniforms in (a). In (b), illegal pants. The Team B head coach is charged directly with a technical foul. (R3-S6-A2; R10-S5-A4)" seems to support Rut's imposition of a TF.

I would assume that Rut and his partners noticed this well before the start of the game and approached the HC to see if the team would be able to rectify the problem before the start of the game so that there would be no need for a TF charged to the HC.

And I agree with Rut, I do not like having to be a fashion policeman.

MTD, Sr.


P.S. I agree with Snaqs and Tony. Everybody and I mean EVERYBODY knows a player cannot dunk during the pregame warmups and I hope that refiator and his partners reminded the HC that he was now going to spend the rest of the game in the lockerroom.

P.P.S. And yes I did start a game once with two TF's (against the HC no less) but that is a story for another day, :D.

Many years ago, I had a game between rivals, with a D1 signee on each team, but each of them going to rival Universites. aA we approached the floor, we could hear the crowd reacting to an impromtu dunk exhibition between the two stars. So as not to have to T-up either or both of them, we sent a young man affiliated with the Home team to tell them to knock it off, before we got to the floor.
Then, when we did arrive on the floor, one of the two players involved came and thanked us. (They know that pre-game dunking is illegal, if the officials see it...)

Why is the coach calling you to complain? Are you the assignor? if so shouldn't you already know how to deal with this? Just curious.

Rut never means what you thought he meant when you thought he was wrong.

Why, did the coach dunk it twice?

Yes, he's "clever" like that.

Here, varsity officials blow their whistle before they enter the court to as to stop the pre-game dunk contest before they "see" something. ;)

No Texas Tea ...
 

Why didn't you just put some air into your whistle like our colleagues in the Lone Star State do?

Gotta love Texas high school sports.

Hey, tomorrow's "another day." Can't wait to read the post! ;)

DOH!! I am getting senile in my old age. It takes three dunks. LOL

MTD, Sr.

You do not have to assume, it is a standing policy for the last few years to not only review uniforms, but we have all kinds of things like waivers for uniforms, a policy to look at uniforms before the game by making sure kids take off or pull up their shooting shirts.

If you read Referee Magazine at all, about 3 years ago there was an article in Referee Magazine over a team that wore a uniform that was illegal during our state finals and the state people insisted that there be a technical foul given for a team that had reached that level of the playoffs. In that article happens to be a friend of mine who had that team during that playoffs and worked the State Finals that year was quoted about the entire situation. Nine officials were penalized for not the following year for not recognizing a uniform issue in the playoffs. I am talking about guys that were State Final officials or close to being SF official were only allowed to work the first round of the playoffs regardless of their previous background. We affectionately call those individuals the "North Lawndale Nine" because of this uniform issue and them being clearly penalized. Well the year after our state wanted this enforced heavily and it was assume that only a couple of schools would have a problem, they found out well over 100 had illegal uniforms the following year from the city teams to the most rural of rural teams. Teams were allowed to get a waiver for about a year to avoid being penalized and there is a policy about when and how the schools inform the officials before the game they have a waiver as well.

We are now in the 3rd year of all of this uniform stuff and emails have been flying around about other teams and officials not enforcing the rule on uniforms during the Thanksgiving Tournaments that would only take a ruler to know if the insert was over 4 inches and if the lettering comes over the numbers by an inch. And those that did not enforce the rule or recognize a uniform are being threatened by playoff assignments (and I am not talking young and inexperienced officials). It is our state’s policy here to be very vigilant in enforcing this rule which even has us doing something most here would not imagine to check and since a team’s uniforms apply to every player on the team, we have been told to give a T to start the game for these issues or else. Like I said before, this is been a big issue here and the powers that be do not care what the NF wants or what other states want on this issue. So you or anyone can quote case plays or rules interpretations all day, but that is not what we are to deal with or the reasoning for why we do what we do. As I said before, we do not work for the NF and if they have a policy of how to handle these situations, we handle them the way we are asked. That is why we had a T last night before the game for uniforms on a team that was not previously recognized for this issue. This was such a problem that the game never felt right because this silly issue was hanging over the game the entire time. BTW the team that has the issue lost the game by more 2 points, but it always seemed like this issue tainted any interaction during that game.

Peace

+1 Only question is if it will be MTD or the spa mmers making the first post after midnight.

Every comment I make does not revolve around this place or the people here.

Peace

That's got to be one of the most ironic things I've read here in a long time.

I am still waiting for that name? Just one will do.

Or is this another "yabut" from you? ;)

Peace

It's a great idea. Had I been sure that they could hear it and recognize what it meant, I would have.

Gratuitous and cheap shot, he already explained what he thought you meant; which wasn't exactly unreasonable given the words you used.

First of all it was not a cheap shot unless you know the origin (which only a few people would know about here) of my comments. Also you got involved in a situation you tried to claim what I was trying to say. So if you do not like what I had to say, why did you get your behind in the conversation?

And if it was not unreasonable, then why did you try to suggest I changed what I said to be right? You certainly must not pay attention as I say here all the time to you and others, we do not work for the NF and what they say means nothing if your state, jurisdiction or association has a say or policy. Heck did you not try to make that point when we were talking about coming dressed to games? It would have been easy if you just used more than your fingers on a keyboard.

That is what I thought. :rolleyes:

Peace

I'm entirely convinced you are the only one who understands what in the heck you're talking about.

Scratch that!!!

I think you are a troll and the more I read your stuff the more that is becoming evident to me.

Peace

Think about that a little more.:D

Here are the string of comments to which I was responding:


That's it, I'm not responding to any thoughts you have about the Illinois powers as they relate to Nevadaref. Your initial comments could have been taken either way, unless you know for sure fiasco was lying. So yes, it was a cheap and gratuitous shot at fiasco.

Sure, no one in Illinois cares about Nevadaref, but plenty in here see his input as valuable. It's obvious to anyone reading that there was a miscommunication.

When did I claim what you were trying to say?

I'm not even sure what you're saying here. The words are all English, but I have no idea what they mean.

I bet anyone a million dollars that this exchange is not over.

They could have been, but they weren't about him. Now what? :rolleyes:

There was a miscommunication with one person who is a troll (and I am not saying that based on my interaction BTW). He and you have not said, "my bad...sorry I misunderstood." Nope, you had to make this about something it was not. Then have the nerve to talk about who gave a cheap shot. Laughable.


The bottom line is I was not talking to you. My comments were not to you, my comment about whether why we called a T was not to you or the rules that applied. Actually none of you involved were apart of my comments that decided to chime in. I was talking to the person that asked a question and I gave him an example of something that happened to me last night. Now why you and others insist on commenting on things that have nothing to do with you, then get offended when I respond is beyond me. Now anything else you want to lecture me on?

Peace

It's astounding to me that you have close to 18,000 posts and you still fail to understand basic Internet message board interaction 101.

What's the over/under on number of posts that will get deleted in this thread?