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CoachNRef Sat Dec 10, 2011 04:45pm

looseball-A1 on the floor
 
A1 dives and grabs loose ball. B1 falls on top of A1 in attempt to play ball. Intentional or PF?

bob jenkins Sat Dec 10, 2011 04:51pm

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Originally Posted by CoachNRef (Post 803423)
A1 dives and grabs loose ball. B1 falls on top of A1 in attempt to play ball. Intentional or PF?


It's a personal foul, but likely a common personal foul as opposed to an intentional personal foul.

CoachNRef Sat Dec 10, 2011 04:59pm

hey Bob, i was wondering where everyone went to after NFHS changed. good to hear form u. this is my first post to this site

APG Sat Dec 10, 2011 05:00pm

Most likely a run of the mill common foul

CoachNRef Sat Dec 10, 2011 05:09pm

would call it a hit, push, hold or block?

Mark Padgett Sat Dec 10, 2011 05:10pm

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Originally Posted by CoachNRef (Post 803433)
would call it a hit, push, hold or block?

What's a hit? :confused:

BktBallRef Sat Dec 10, 2011 05:56pm

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Originally Posted by CoachNRef (Post 803433)
would call it a hit, push, hold or block?

Why does it matter?

You can choose whatever you best think describes the play but really, it's not anything to be concerned about.

BillyMac Sat Dec 10, 2011 06:47pm

Down By The Old Mill Stream ...
 
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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 803429)
A run of the mill common foul

Citation please. I can't find this definition in Rule Four.

APG Sat Dec 10, 2011 07:50pm

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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 803452)
Citation please. I can't find this definition in Rule Four.

Look harder

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Sat Dec 10, 2011 09:37pm

Ben Drieth
 
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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 803440)
Why does it matter?

You can choose whatever you best think describes the play but really, it's not anything to be concerned about.


Nobody said it better than Ben Drieth:

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MTD, Sr.

CoachNRef Sun Dec 11, 2011 04:22pm

Rule 4-19-3 sates: an intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act. Intentional fouls include, but are not limited to: contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

if B1 is on top of A1, preventing him from passing the ball, in effect neutralizing his opponent, would it not be an IF vs CF?

Rich Sun Dec 11, 2011 04:24pm

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Originally Posted by CoachNRef (Post 803698)
Rule 4-19-3 sates: an intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act. Intentional fouls include, but are not limited to: contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

if B1 is on top of A1, preventing him from passing the ball, in effect neutralizing his opponent, would it not be an IF vs CF?

No.

Adam Sun Dec 11, 2011 04:27pm

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Originally Posted by CoachNRef (Post 803698)
Rule 4-19-3 sates: an intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act. Intentional fouls include, but are not limited to: contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

if B1 is on top of A1, preventing him from passing the ball, in effect neutralizing his opponent, would it not be an IF vs CF?

The rule does not refer to neutralizing an opponent, but an opponent's "obvious advantageous position."

JRutledge Sun Dec 11, 2011 04:30pm

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Originally Posted by CoachNRef (Post 803698)
Rule 4-19-3 sates: an intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act. Intentional fouls include, but are not limited to: contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

if B1 is on top of A1, preventing him from passing the ball, in effect neutralizing his opponent, would it not be an IF vs CF?

You are reading too much into the rule.

Peace

APG Sun Dec 11, 2011 05:13pm

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Originally Posted by CoachNRef (Post 803698)
Rule 4-19-3 sates: an intentional foul is a personal or technical foul that may or may not be premeditated and is not based solely on the severity of the act. Intentional fouls include, but are not limited to: contact that neutralizes an opponent's obvious advantageous position.

if B1 is on top of A1, preventing him from passing the ball, in effect neutralizing his opponent, would it not be an IF vs CF?

If you were ever going to call an intentional foul in this situation, it'd probably be for excessive contact...not neutralizing an opponent's obvious advantageous position.


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