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habram Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:28pm

Out of Bounds Violation Yes/No
 
If a Player saves a ball from going out of bounds ,when can the player legally touch the ball again

Also if a player is running down the sideline dribbling the ball and loses it
then accidently goes out of bounds , when can the player legally touch the ball again

JRutledge Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:31pm

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Originally Posted by habram (Post 802074)
If a Player saves a ball from going out of bounds ,when can the player legally touch the ball again

When they have legally established themselves in bounds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by habram (Post 802074)
Also if a player is running down the sideline dribbling the ball and loses it
then accidently goes out of bounds , when can the player legally touch the ball again

Yes as long as they establish themselves in bounds.

There is no first to touch provisions in basketball.

Peace

Freddy Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:39pm

Good Questions
 
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Originally Posted by habram (Post 802074)
If a Player saves a ball from going out of bounds ,when can the player legally touch the ball again

Also if a player is running down the sideline dribbling the ball and loses it
then accidently goes out of bounds , when can the player legally touch the ball again

First Scenerio: As soon as that player establishes status on the court again, at least one foot touching the floor inbounds, for instance.

Second Scenerio: Sounds like an interrupted dribble (no longer player control), during which the player formerly known as "dribbler" may touch the ball again after establishing status on the court again (Different from the situation in 9-3-1 NOTE).

APG Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by habram (Post 802074)
If a Player saves a ball from going out of bounds ,when can the player legally touch the ball again

Also if a player is running down the sideline dribbling the ball and loses it
then accidently goes out of bounds , when can the player legally touch the ball again

Assuming NFHS rules:

A player can legally touch the ball when they're inbounds and nothing touching out of bounds. This is not the NFL where you have to get two feet back in to reestablish oneself.

If a player loses the ball and accidentally goes out of bounds, the player can legally touch the ball as soon as they return inbounds.

If you watch other levels of play, they have different rules about this (well at least the NBA does...not sure about NCAA).

bob jenkins Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:40pm

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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 802078)
First Scenerio: As soon as that player establishes status on the court again, at least one foot touching the floor inbounds, for instance.

... and nothing touching OOB.

JRutledge Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:44pm

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Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 802079)
Assuming NFHS rules:

If you watch other levels of play, they have different rules about this (well at least the NBA does...not sure about NCAA).

I believe the rule at the NCAA level is exactly the same, except they have a provision for running out of bounds to as an advantage and it is not a violation until they are the first one to get a pass. I am not sure if the rule is the same on both genders, but I will look it up to be sure.

Peace

Toren Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by habram (Post 802074)
If a Player saves a ball from going out of bounds ,when can the player legally touch the ball again

Also if a player is running down the sideline dribbling the ball and loses it
then accidently goes out of bounds , when can the player legally touch the ball again

One foot inbounds, nothing out of bounds = legal (is how I think of it).

One scenario to think about that is pretty rare but may happen: Player A had previously legally ended their dribble and somehow fumbled the ball and saves the ball, by throwing the ball to the floor inbounds. Player A then gets both feet back inbounds and is the first to catch the ball.

The referee has to judge whether the save was the start and the catch is the ending of a second dribble, which is of course a violation.

mbyron Mon Dec 05, 2011 04:00pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 802086)
One foot inbounds, nothing out of bounds = legal (is how I think of it).

Need not be a foot: "something in, nothing out."

Toren Mon Dec 05, 2011 04:02pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 802090)
Need not be a foot: "something in, nothing out."

I'd like to see one hand in and feet in the air, like a nice break dancing move. :D

But if we want to play semantics, "Nothing in as long as something is not out."

Camron Rust Mon Dec 05, 2011 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 802094)
I'd like to see one hand in and feet in the air, like a nice break dancing move. :D

But if we want to play semantics, "Nothing in as long as something is not out."

The point is entirely valid and not a semantic issue.

They could easily be on a knee, back, or belly after diving for the lose ball with neither foot touching the floor.

Toren Mon Dec 05, 2011 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 802106)
The point is entirely valid and not a semantic issue.

They could easily be on a knee, back, or belly after diving for the lose ball with neither foot touching the floor.

It is a semantics issue, because they could easily be completely off the floor with nothing in as long as nothing is touching or touched OOB prior to them being in the air.

Scrapper1 Mon Dec 05, 2011 05:18pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 802115)
It is a semantics issue, because they could easily be completely off the floor with nothing in as long as nothing is touching or touched OOB prior to them being in the air.

Don't confuse the issue. If the player is completely off the floor, then s/he is inbounds if s/he last touched the court inbounds. Simply being airborne, does not justify your claim that the player has "nothing in".

Toren Mon Dec 05, 2011 05:29pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 802126)
Don't confuse the issue. If the player is completely off the floor, then s/he is inbounds if s/he last touched the court inbounds. Simply being airborne, does not justify your claim that the player has "nothing in".

I understand..."Something in, nothing out" is incomplete. Yet, we all seem to throw it around like it's the end all to the argument. My point is, think of it however you want, I think of the rule as "one foot in, nothing out." It helps me to remember. We all remember it differently.

So whatever helps the person remember that as long as nothing is out, then you are in.

BktBallRef Mon Dec 05, 2011 05:38pm

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Originally Posted by habram (Post 802074)
If a Player saves a ball from going out of bounds ,when can the player legally touch the ball again

Also if a player is running down the sideline dribbling the ball and loses it
then accidently goes out of bounds , when can the player legally touch the ball again

Read 7-1-1 and the case plays under 7.1.1.

BillyMac Mon Dec 05, 2011 06:36pm

Been There, Called That ...
 
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 802106)
They could easily be on a knee, back, or belly after diving for the lose ball with neither foot touching the floor.

Ponytail.

bob jenkins Mon Dec 05, 2011 07:34pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 802128)
I understand..."Something in, nothing out" is incomplete. Yet, we all seem to throw it around like it's the end all to the argument. My point is, think of it however you want, I think of the rule as "one foot in, nothing out." It helps me to remember. We all remember it differently.

So whatever helps the person remember that as long as nothing is out, then you are in.

I just read 4-playerlocation and then I don't have to try the "sayings that are right most of the time but might not be right all of the time."

Adam Mon Dec 05, 2011 08:52pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 802128)
I understand..."Something in, nothing out" is incomplete. Yet, we all seem to throw it around like it's the end all to the argument. My point is, think of it however you want, I think of the rule as "one foot in, nothing out." It helps me to remember. We all remember it differently.

So whatever helps the person remember that as long as nothing is out, then you are in.

How is it incomplete? What scenario isn't covered?

Toren Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:28pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 802177)
How is it incomplete? What scenario isn't covered?

An airborne player who saves the ball. He would not have something in, as he is airborne. Thus, incomplete.

Adam Mon Dec 05, 2011 11:35pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 802192)
An airborne player who saves the ball. He would not have something in, as he is airborne. Thus, incomplete.

Being airborne means his location is defines by his last contact with the floor, which is in bounds as long as something was in and nothing was out.

Freddy Sun Jan 22, 2012 05:23pm

Just Figured I'd Join In . . .
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 802150)
Ponytail.

Since everybody seems to be in such a pleasant "this happened to me yesterday" mood . . .

Saturday...about three feet from the coach standing in her box...her JV girl gained possession of the ball while on her back with everything inbounds...except for...PONYTAIL.

Coach: :eek:, then :mad:, then :(, then :o, then :), then :D . . . as the reality of the situation set in.

Now, if that player followed the hairstyle trend I do, she wouldn't have had that call for a violation. :p

BillyMac Sun Jan 22, 2012 05:39pm

Tough To Make A Call With That Blinding Reflection Off My Partner's Noggin ... ...
 
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Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 815756)
Now, if that player followed the hairstyle trend I do, she wouldn't have had that call for a violation.

Seriously? How many bald girls do you see playing high school basketball?

bknp7 Sun Jan 22, 2012 08:55pm

if the player loses the ball while dribbling and goes out of bounds comes back in can he still dribble the ball or just gain possesion?

Freddy Sun Jan 22, 2012 09:07pm

"It's In There"
 
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Originally Posted by bknp7 (Post 815810)
if the player loses the ball while dribbling and goes out of bounds comes back in can he still dribble the ball or just gain possesion?

Survey the answers given previously in this thread for a clear answer to that one. That was the point of the original question, I think.

Scrapper1 Sun Jan 22, 2012 09:45pm

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Originally Posted by Toren (Post 802192)
An airborne player who saves the ball. He would not have something in, as he is airborne.

Apparently, you completely missed the point of my last post. If you jump from inbounds, then you "have something in", even though you are airborne. Your statement above is simply incorrect by rule.

BktBallRef Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:14pm

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Originally Posted by bknp7 (Post 815810)
if the player loses the ball while dribbling and goes out of bounds comes back in can he still dribble the ball or just gain possesion?

It's an interrupted dribble. Do you know of a rule that says the player can't do either one?

BktBallRef Sun Jan 22, 2012 10:15pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 815828)
Apparently, you completely missed the point of my last post.

Yeah, he did. But that was 7 weeks ago! :eek:

Scrapper1 Mon Jan 23, 2012 11:44am

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Originally Posted by BktBallRef (Post 815834)
Yeah, he did. But that was 7 weeks ago! :eek:

LOL! Freddy resurrected the thread and I didn't realize it was that old. :o


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