A false dichotomy IMO. I'm all for giving a coach plenty of rope but there are some things that will stretch that rope out a lot quicker. My big one is insulting my integrity. It's as close to an automatic T as I have and I would not consider myself as unable to handle my business or be a weak communicator. I simply don't stand for it.

My old partner had this one:

Coach--"Call Something!"

Partner--T

If find that if I am going to throw a coach out in baseball I should at least be giving them a "T" in basketball. In baseball there are some very well defined boundaries, mainly saying you can ask a legitimate question but attacking integrity is an automatic ejection.

Jasper

Definite Ts on 1, 6, and 7.

Probable on 5.

Doubtful on 2, 3, 4. Other circumstances may apply.

Being a longtime umpire...I'm on the same page as Statref.

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"You have no clue what you're doing out there, do you?"
Technical foul. He made it personal.

"Seriously, that call was atrocious."
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

"Do you have a problem with me?"
Ignore.

"What is your problem?"
Ignore.

"You're doing a great job, but your partner is awful."
Technical Foul. He made it personal.

"It's tough playing 8 on 5."
Technical foul. Accusing officials of cheating, and questioning officials' integrity.

"Blow your whistle for crying out loud!"
Maybe. One of those "had to be there" situations.

You didn't say that. In response to the question of is it a technical foul if he says your partner is awful you said, "No, but I'm telling coach very sternly to cut the crap out and I'll mention to my partner what was said"

And the 8 vs. 5 isn't a T?!? That's the worst one of them all! The only argument on that one should be is it flagrant or not? In the other ones he is just telling you about how much you or your partner suck; you might be bad but at least you aren't trying to make sure the other team wins. In the 8 vs. 5 comment he is actually calling you, and your 2 partners, cheaters.

Who here has NEVER called a "T"?

I have worked with about 6 guys who NEVER call a "T" no matter what.

I had a partner see a pre game dunk and said "did you see that?" I said "What?" He said, " That kid just dunked" I asked, "are we starting the game with a "T"?" He said, "No I am just going to tell him not to do it again."

They are out there, I got about 3 or 4 T's out of the first batch of comments.

Says who? Flagrant for that? Now that is funny. You just throw out a lot of people because you hear that almost every other game.

It is not too often that they tell you that you are doing a good job. This is chess not checkers man. They are not going to be happy with everything we do, they are after all bias and have an agenda. I am not saying you should not do anything, but if that is all you know how to do is give Ts that is not going to get you very far in my opinion. If you can say something and no one knows you addressed the issue, that is a win. Ts do not solve every issue we have with coaches and players.

Peace

I agree with Billy and I added my comments.

I had that line used on me last week.

Actually, to be accurate, it was "Will you please blow your whistle? For anything?!?! Just make A CALL!!"

I honored her request. I blew my whistle I called a foul. A technical foul.

+1

I've always maintained that the only absolutes with regards to Teeing up coaches are comments that are profane or question our integrity. That being said, nothing good can happen to a coach if he starts his speech with the word "you".

I would add imperative sentences to the list, which is why I have a T on the last item.

What's funny is that you hear that almost every other game. You must be doing something really wrong out there to have coaches directly accuse you of cheating that often.

And yes, there is a good chance that is flagrant. It is much much worse than just saying that the official is terrible. Imagine there is an assignor who finds out that one of his officials did a terrible job one game. Now imagine the assignor finds out an official was cheating and trying to make sure that one team won.

If an official did a bad job one game he could just need more training or possibly just had a bad game. An official who is cheating is entirely different and much more serious. Likewise a coach accusing you of cheating is entirely different and much more serious than a coach telling you that you are awful.