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ref2coach Mon Dec 05, 2011 01:26am

Team Bench Area?
 
I have found a definition for the Team Time out area that includes the bench area. Does anyone know where to find the definition of the "Team Bench Area"?

just another ref Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:02am

1-13-3: The time-out area shall be the area inside an imaginary rectangle formed by the boundaries of the sideline (including the bench), end line, and an imaginary line extended from the free-throw lane line nearest the bench area meeting an imaginary line extended from the coaching-box line.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 05, 2011 03:53am

Rule 1, SECTION 13 TEAM BENCH LOCATIONS, COACHING BOX, TIME-OUT AREA
ART. 1 . . .
The location of each team's bench shall be designated by game
management. It is recommended that the benches for team members and
coaches of both teams be placed along that side of the court on which the

scorer's and timer's table is located.

That is about the best that you are going to get. The bench area is obviously out of bounds, but after that it depends upon where game management for a particular school wishes to have the teams. Some places have chairs, some put the teams in the first row of the bleachers, some are further back from the court than others, etc.



JRutledge Mon Dec 05, 2011 04:06am

There was once a diagram that was used by the NF that suggested that area was from the benches to the lane line. This was in a PowerPoint slide and if I can find it I will post the pic. Or if someone has the pic they can post it.

Peace

ref2coach Mon Dec 05, 2011 10:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 801921)
Rule 1, SECTION 13 TEAM BENCH LOCATIONS, COACHING BOX, TIME-OUT AREA
ART. 1 . . .
The location of each team's bench shall be designated by game
management. It is recommended that the benches for team members and
coaches of both teams be placed along that side of the court on which the

scorer's and timer's table is located.

That is about the best that you are going to get. The bench area is obviously out of bounds, but after that it depends upon where game management for a particular school wishes to have the teams. Some places have chairs, some put the teams in the first row of the bleachers, some are further back from the court than others, etc.



Nevada, What you have posted is also the only reference I had already found. We are arguing a NFHS question. We are trying to see if the question is poorly written and is using "team bench area" to mean "time out area" OR does the question want us to know that "bench area" and "time out area" are NOT the same thing.

Nevadaref Mon Dec 05, 2011 06:05pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 801973)
Nevada, What you have posted is also the only reference I had already found. We are arguing a NFHS question. We are trying to see if the question is poorly written and is using "team bench area" to mean "time out area" OR does the question want us to know that "bench area" and "time out area" are NOT the same thing.

They are clearly not the same.
Type the text of the question and I'll give my thoughts.

derwil Mon Dec 05, 2011 08:10pm

I've never really seen a gym with a weird bench area. I've seen one's so close to the court that the players can't put their feet on the floor out of bounds, seen teams in the first and second row of the stands. Never seen anything like say Vanderbilt with the bench areas on the side.

Anyone got a weird story?

BillyMac Mon Dec 05, 2011 08:30pm

Watch Me Pick Up The Spare ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by derwil (Post 802167)
Anyone got a weird story?

Very old Catholic middle school. Benches are on opposite endlines. Absolutely no room out of bounds along the sidelines, literally an inch, or two, between the sidelines and the walls. Three point lines intersect the sidelines above the free throw line extended.

jTheUmp Mon Dec 05, 2011 08:59pm

There's one middle school around here that splits their gym in two for games (girls on one side, boys on the other). A fold-out divider separates the two, with no out-of-bounds room on that long side of the court. The other side of the court is the stacked-up bleachers, with about a foot of out-of-bounds area. In essence, we almost have arena-football-style boundary walls.

The team benches are on opposite baselines, and the scorer's table is at the "home team's" baseline with one of those little portable scoreboards that's about the size of a suitcase.

Makes for some interesting challenges and 'ground rules'. Luckily, it's only 7th and 8th grade ball.

ref2coach Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:34am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 802139)
They are clearly not the same.
Type the text of the question and I'll give my thoughts.

"The team bench area is an imaginary rectangle formed by the sideline (including the bench), end line, nearer free-throw lane line extended and the coaching-box line." True or False

I answered false because this is the definition for the time-out area. Others are saying standard poor NFHS question writing and true will therefore be the correct answer.

kwatson Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:47am

My partner and I showed up to a HS C game being played in an auxiliary gym. The team benches were set up across the court from the table. We asked the coach how he planned on his team checking in with the table, followed by a blank look and a quick yell to his players to move the benches across the court.

Nevadaref Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:39pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ref2coach (Post 802282)
"The team bench area is an imaginary rectangle formed by the sideline (including the bench), end line, nearer free-throw lane line extended and the coaching-box line." True or False

I answered false because this is the definition for the time-out area. Others are saying standard poor NFHS question writing and true will therefore be the correct answer.

You are correct. This is a question from an old NFHS exam. About three seasons ago the NFHS changed the wording of this question to say "The time-out area is an..." That was done the same year that the definition of the time-out area was added to the Rules Book.

If someone else doesn't post the exact years of what I wrote above, I return when I have more time and do so for you.

JugglingReferee Tue Dec 06, 2011 04:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 802172)
Very old Catholic middle school. Benches are on opposite endlines. Absolutely no room out of bounds along the sidelines, literally an inch, or two, between the sidelines and the walls. Three point lines intersect the sidelines above the free throw line extended.

Why even play there?

Camron Rust Tue Dec 06, 2011 05:01pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 802417)
Why even play there?

Because it is better than the parking lot? ;)

Some organizations just play in whatever facility they can get, is convenient, or is cheap. Not all will be as nice as MSG.

chseagle Tue Dec 06, 2011 06:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 802431)
Because it is better than the parking lot? ;)

Some organizations just play in whatever facility they can get, is convenient, or is cheap. Not all will be as nice as MSG.

I thought you'd say not all will be as nice as Matthew Knight Arena?


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