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Da Official Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:31am

Travel on A followed by illegal contact by B.

Lead made the right call since he's looking for contact. Trail decided to pass on the travel for whatever reason....

Welpe Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:02am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 801007)
At full speed it looks like a no call to me (assuming travel call is missed). Defensive guy has good position, and offensive guy is out of control and creating the contact (ie invading the defender's vertical space).

But is the defender staying within his vertical space?

ballgame99 Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:52pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 801015)
But is the defender staying within his vertical space?

That's the $1 million question. Full speed, the defender has established his spot on the floor. In slow mo he is sliding a bit, but I would have a hard time rewarding a whirling durbish, out of control move like that with free throws. Otherwise any crash test dummy can barrel down the lane and draw a foul any time he wants. I'm obviously in the minority here though.

Rich Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 801061)
That's the $1 million question. Full speed, the defender has established his spot on the floor. In slow mo he is sliding a bit, but I would have a hard time rewarding a whirling durbish, out of control move like that with free throws. Otherwise any crash test dummy can barrel down the lane and draw a foul any time he wants. I'm obviously in the minority here though.

Out of control? Are you kidding? These are Division 1 athletes. That's just a good move to the basket. I wouldn't even consider that out of control in a HS varsity game.

The travel was missed, but this was an easy, easy foul -- the defender brought his arms down and didn't stay in his vertical space.

Welpe Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:18pm

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 801061)
That's the $1 million question. Full speed, the defender has established his spot on the floor. In slow mo he is sliding a bit, but I would have a hard time rewarding a whirling durbish, out of control move like that with free throws. Otherwise any crash test dummy can barrel down the lane and draw a foul any time he wants. I'm obviously in the minority here though.

OK, but what about the defender's arms? I would not say those are within his own vertical space.

RadioBlue Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:22pm

I think his arms are vertical. However, the endline look clearly shows his upper body leaning forward out of his vertical ... FOUL.

JugglingReferee Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 801064)
OK, but what about the defender's arms? I would not say those are within his own vertical space.

To me, the arms are a non-issue. I have B's body/torso moving forward at the time of contact, which is before arm contact.

mbyron Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:59pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 801066)
To me, the arms are a non-issue. I have B's body/torso moving forward at the time of contact, which is before arm contact.

That's what I saw in the very first replay, full speed.

Rich Thu Dec 01, 2011 02:18pm

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Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 801065)
I think his arms are vertical. However, the endline look clearly shows his upper body leaning forward out of his vertical ... FOUL.

They may be vertical with his body, but leaning forward like that they're not perpendicular to the ground, that's for sure.


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