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APG Wed Nov 30, 2011 05:23pm

Thoughts?
 
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SNIPERBBB Wed Nov 30, 2011 05:30pm

Travel anyone?

stiffler3492 Wed Nov 30, 2011 05:31pm

Sniper is right. Sullinger flipped his feet there.

Let's say there was no travel. I thought the foul was a good call.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 30, 2011 05:42pm

Contact (perhaps a foul) followed by a travel, followed by contact that was called.

JRutledge Wed Nov 30, 2011 05:42pm

Technically a travel and technically a foul.

Peace

Adam Wed Nov 30, 2011 05:57pm

In HS, he would have put his arms straight up after hearing the whistle.

just another ref Wed Nov 30, 2011 06:15pm

Notice how often, when viewing NCAA video, the commentary contains:

"if you're not gonna call the travel...."

mbyron Wed Nov 30, 2011 08:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 800912)
In HS, he would have put his arms straight up after hearing the whistle.

Ha! Exactly.

derwil Wed Nov 30, 2011 11:25pm

Trail should have got that travel...looks really bad in slow mo. Lead was obviously consumed with the player's upper bodies and their contact, just missed the feet.

zm1283 Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:30am

Travel all the way.

Blindolbat Thu Dec 01, 2011 02:35am

I'm afraid I have to play devils advocate and say no foul:eek:, but the travel was obvious.

NoFussRef Thu Dec 01, 2011 03:43am

Pretty easy Shooting Foul IMO...

Too bad he won't be on the line to shoot though, because I'm calling that dance move of his a Travel.

JugglingReferee Thu Dec 01, 2011 04:29am

Travel and a foul.

Missed call on the travel, but moreso by the T than the L. I think many officials shift focus from the feet to separation at some point in the move to the basket, and perhaps was the case on this play.

tref Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:18am

Quote:

Originally Posted by derwil (Post 800960)
Trail should have got that travel...looks really bad in slow mo. Lead was obviously consumed with the player's upper bodies and their contact, just missed the feet.

Definitely a 2 referee play! Maybe the L was a "my area" type of guy & the T let him "live & die" with the obvious violation :D

Get plays right!

Defenders arms were not vertical on the shot.

ballgame99 Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:29am

At full speed it looks like a no call to me (assuming travel call is missed). Defensive guy has good position, and offensive guy is out of control and creating the contact (ie invading the defender's vertical space).

Da Official Thu Dec 01, 2011 10:31am

Travel on A followed by illegal contact by B.

Lead made the right call since he's looking for contact. Trail decided to pass on the travel for whatever reason....

Welpe Thu Dec 01, 2011 11:02am

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Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 801007)
At full speed it looks like a no call to me (assuming travel call is missed). Defensive guy has good position, and offensive guy is out of control and creating the contact (ie invading the defender's vertical space).

But is the defender staying within his vertical space?

ballgame99 Thu Dec 01, 2011 12:52pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 801015)
But is the defender staying within his vertical space?

That's the $1 million question. Full speed, the defender has established his spot on the floor. In slow mo he is sliding a bit, but I would have a hard time rewarding a whirling durbish, out of control move like that with free throws. Otherwise any crash test dummy can barrel down the lane and draw a foul any time he wants. I'm obviously in the minority here though.

Rich Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 801061)
That's the $1 million question. Full speed, the defender has established his spot on the floor. In slow mo he is sliding a bit, but I would have a hard time rewarding a whirling durbish, out of control move like that with free throws. Otherwise any crash test dummy can barrel down the lane and draw a foul any time he wants. I'm obviously in the minority here though.

Out of control? Are you kidding? These are Division 1 athletes. That's just a good move to the basket. I wouldn't even consider that out of control in a HS varsity game.

The travel was missed, but this was an easy, easy foul -- the defender brought his arms down and didn't stay in his vertical space.

Welpe Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ballgame99 (Post 801061)
That's the $1 million question. Full speed, the defender has established his spot on the floor. In slow mo he is sliding a bit, but I would have a hard time rewarding a whirling durbish, out of control move like that with free throws. Otherwise any crash test dummy can barrel down the lane and draw a foul any time he wants. I'm obviously in the minority here though.

OK, but what about the defender's arms? I would not say those are within his own vertical space.

RadioBlue Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:22pm

I think his arms are vertical. However, the endline look clearly shows his upper body leaning forward out of his vertical ... FOUL.

JugglingReferee Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 801064)
OK, but what about the defender's arms? I would not say those are within his own vertical space.

To me, the arms are a non-issue. I have B's body/torso moving forward at the time of contact, which is before arm contact.

mbyron Thu Dec 01, 2011 01:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 801066)
To me, the arms are a non-issue. I have B's body/torso moving forward at the time of contact, which is before arm contact.

That's what I saw in the very first replay, full speed.

Rich Thu Dec 01, 2011 02:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RadioBlue (Post 801065)
I think his arms are vertical. However, the endline look clearly shows his upper body leaning forward out of his vertical ... FOUL.

They may be vertical with his body, but leaning forward like that they're not perpendicular to the ground, that's for sure.


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