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loners4me Mon Nov 28, 2011 02:49pm

Basketball or Soccer
 
Weird game this weekend.

1. A1 throws ball to A2 who "headers" it to A3 for a layup.

2. A1 throws an in-bounds pass to A2 who rests the ball on his back and runs down the court (no hands involved and all in one motion). Travel??? I didn't call anything as I did not consider it as ball control, but rather lack thereof.

3. I pass on a kick ball as I thought it was inadvertent. A1 throws to A2 who is running up the court. The ball hits the back of A2s leg and then straight to A3 for a layup. Coach was calling for a kick but I thought no way did that kid intentionally use his legs to make that pass, it had to be luck.


Come to find out that the basketball team consists of mostly soccer players and these kids were good............at soccer and most of the acts in question were probably deliberate.

tref Mon Nov 28, 2011 02:55pm

Got video?

mbyron Mon Nov 28, 2011 03:04pm

1. Legal.

2. Whether this constitutes traveling depends on whether you judge that the player was holding the ball. The rules do not define 'holding' the ball: in this case, it seems clear that the player was in control of the ball despite not holding it in his hands. I would call traveling.

3. Judgment call regarding a kick. If I knew that the team was made up of soccer players, I might be inclined to regard this as intentional rather than luck if the "pass" went directly to a team mate who was open for a layup.

APG Mon Nov 28, 2011 03:24pm

I agree with mbyron except for point two. I'm not considering that player control...are you saying you'd grant a timeout in that same situation as well?

mbyron Mon Nov 28, 2011 03:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 800467)
I agree with mbyron except for point two. I'm not considering that player control...are you saying you'd grant a timeout in that same situation as well?

No, I told you, I'd call traveling. :p

Adam Mon Nov 28, 2011 04:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer (Post 800467)
I agree with mbyron except for point two. I'm not considering that player control...are you saying you'd grant a timeout in that same situation as well?

I think it depends on how far he carries it like that. a step or two, nothing. Halfway down the court, travel.

Scrapper1 Mon Nov 28, 2011 04:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 800454)
The rules do not define 'holding' the ball: in this case, it seems clear that the player was in control of the ball despite not holding it in his hands. I would call traveling.

Did the ball come to rest?

APG Mon Nov 28, 2011 04:18pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 800474)
I think it depends on how far he carries it like that. a step or two, nothing. Halfway down the court, travel.

If he has it on his back halfway down the court, then that's just poor defense. If you'd call traveling, then you're also saying you'd grant a timeout (absent your traveling call). I have a hard time seeing anyone try and pass that one off.

Welpe Mon Nov 28, 2011 06:51pm

1. Legal

2. I agree with Snaqs, a few steps probably nothing but half the court, I'd consider a travel. I'd also wonder what the heck the defense was thinking.

3. Sounds legal but if not, I'd caution the player for unsporting conduct. Oh wait, wrong sport.

mbyron Mon Nov 28, 2011 08:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 800478)
Did the ball come to rest?

No, it continued around the sun at 17,600 MPH. :rolleyes:

Welpe Mon Nov 28, 2011 10:37pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 800509)
No, it continued around the sun at 17,600 MPH. :rolleyes:

Heliocentrist.

Raymond Tue Nov 29, 2011 12:12am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 800474)
I think it depends on how far he carries it like that. a step or two, nothing. Halfway down the court, travel.

IOW, you would adjudicate the same as any other travel call?


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