NBA fundraiser game

[APG]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I don't know how the game is going to be played yet. if the players will play themselves or a local team. Either way it will be a great time. That portland game sounds like it was a hoot to watch and ref Mark. any help with NBA mechanics?

What specifically? And how closely would they be following NBA rules and timing? If the other (two) officials don't know NBA mechanics, I'd just pregame to use what everyone is used to doing. These are some mechanics differences:

-5 second count by the lead for a back-to-basket count
-If you're using a shot clock, then no chopping of the 8 second count (which is a hard 8 count)...16 is the magic number
-Two handed reporting...walk and talk
-No long switching in the backcourt
-Fouls in the frontcourt, calling official always becomes trail and will inbound the ball at the cloest spot to where play was interrupted but no closer than the FT extended...the other two officials go to a different position. If shooting free throws, then the calling official always goes tableside.
-Play in the frontcourt, trail has last second shot. Play in the backcourt/in transition and less than 5.0 seconds, then slot has last second shot...otherwise trail has it. Off a jump ball at center court and less than 5 seconds, lead will have it, otherwise trail has it. Jump ball at the free throw circle and less than 5.0, then the official at the 28 foot mark has the shot, otherwise, trail will have it.

Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

-Play in the frontcourt, trail has last second shot. Play in the backcourt/in transition and less than 5.0 seconds, then slot has last second shot...otherwise trail has it.

Has that changed? When I worked with NBA rules many many moons ago in a minor pro league, it was exactly the opposite. The slot had the last second shot unless it came from the backcourt with less than 5 seconds, in which case the Trail took it.

Completely different question regarding shot clock. If there is a defensive foul in the backcourt, isn't the shot clock reset to 24? I know that in the frontcourt, there's no reset unless it's under 14 (then it's set to 14). But I thought that in the backcourt, there was a full reset. The clock operator at a game I did recently told me there was no reset at all until it got under 14.

[fiasco]

If I were you, I'd contact your assignor and make for 100% sure what "kind" of game this is going to be. Is this meant to be a real competitive game, where they're expecting you to actually enforce the rules, or is this a "celebrity" or "all-star" type game, where you're going to get laughed out of the gym if you call defensive 3 seconds?

If it's the latter, I honestly wouldn't worry about brushing up on NBA rules. Just call the obvious.

[APG]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Has that changed? When I worked with NBA rules many many moons ago in a minor pro league, it was exactly the opposite. The slot had the last second shot unless it came from the backcourt with less than 5 seconds, in which case the Trail took it.

Completely different question regarding shot clock. If there is a defensive foul in the backcourt, isn't the shot clock reset to 24? I know that in the frontcourt, there's no reset unless it's under 14 (then it's set to 14). But I thought that in the backcourt, there was a full reset. The clock operator at a game I did recently told me there was no reset at all until it got under 14.

I don't know how recently the mechanic has changed. You'd have to ask btaylor about that. As far as the shot clock, yes, all defensive fouls in which the ball will be inbounded in the backcourt means a full reset of the shot clock.

[AKOFL]

APG.....what is the hard 8 count you speak of? chop 8 count? and the 16? i believe it is more of a celeb allstar thing. the pros will play eachother though. no season so don't know how serious they will get. lol

[tref]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

APG.....what is the hard 8 count you speak of? chop 8 count? and the 16? i believe it is more of a celeb allstar thing. the pros will play eachother though. no season so don't know how serious they will get. lol

8 seconds, period. They dont count by hand in the League when the shot clock strikes 16 its a violation. If its an end of quarter situation with 12 seconds on the game clock, it becomes an violation with 4 seconds remaining.

In my experiences, professional athletes always want to win so be prepared!

[APG]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

APG.....what is the hard 8 count you speak of? chop 8 count? and the 16? i believe it is more of a celeb allstar thing. the pros will play eachother though. no season so don't know how serious they will get. lol

When I say a hard 8 count, I mean the 8 second count doesn't reset if the defense knocks the ball OOB, or the offense calls a timeout. This is different than NCAA/NFHS which would give the offense a new 10 second count after the defense knocks the ball OOB/calls a timeout/IW, etc. The 8 second count only resets when specific things occur (defensive foul in backcourt, technical foul on defense, kick/punched ball, etc.)

If you're officiating with the 24 second shot clock, then you don't swing the 8 second cuout like you would if you were doing a 10 second count in the backcourt. After a throw-in, the 8 second count starts when the ball is legally touched inbounds (no matter what), and thus, when the shot clock hits 16 (under normal situations), you have an 8 second violation. Now you won't be using a shot clock, then go ahead and swing your arm for the count.

[AKOFL]

got it. thanks for the clarification. we will be using a shot clock. Something new for me. So no visible 8 count in the backcourt. Sound right?

[tref]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

we will be using a shot clock. Something new for me.

Hopefully the timer & your partners arent as inexperienced as you are! I only say that because the players know the rules at that level. After each whistle & all shot attempts try to sneak a peek at all of the clocks.

[APG]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

got it. thanks for the clarification. we will be using a shot clock. Something new for me. So no visible 8 count in the backcourt. Sound right?

That's correct.