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MOofficial Fri Nov 18, 2011 01:13pm

NBA Socks in NCAA
 
Had the referee in my game last night make the players wearing NBA socks remove them.

I was wondering if that was correct/incorrect and what the rule reference is?

Thanks

jdw3018 Fri Nov 18, 2011 01:15pm

There are no rules concerning socks. They can wear any socks they want as long as they are safe. So no spikes.

bob jenkins Fri Nov 18, 2011 01:23pm

One logo per sock. So, if the logo wason the inside and the outside of the leg, it needs to be covered.

BLydic Fri Nov 18, 2011 01:32pm

I love this rule. All local, small college womens officials have players with two logo socks roll them down to play, local mens officials don't even know it's a rule.

MOofficial Fri Nov 18, 2011 01:42pm

Why do you love this rule? Does it change the fundamentals of the basketball game?

APG Fri Nov 18, 2011 01:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BLydic (Post 799144)
I love this rule. All local, small college womens officials have players with two logo socks roll them down to play, local mens officials don't even know it's a rule.

Why in the world would you like this silly rule? :confused:

wfd21 Fri Nov 18, 2011 01:54pm

The reason we enforce it is because we are told to by assignors. I like doing post season games, so I do what I am told.:D

Rufus Fri Nov 18, 2011 02:09pm

At the risk of ushering in another call for different font colors and/or "/sarcasm" comments, I think BL was being sarcastic.

BLydic Fri Nov 18, 2011 02:25pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rufus (Post 799153)
At the risk of ushering in another call for different font colors and/or "/sarcasm" comments, I think BL was being sarcastic.

Apologies, I was being sarcastic. It's the only rule I've ever felt embarassed about enforcing.

BLydic Fri Nov 18, 2011 02:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wfd21 (Post 799151)
The reason we enforce it is because we are told to by assignors. I like doing post season games, so I do what I am told.:D

That's fine, but the same officials enforcing it on the womens side work for the same commish as the mens officials not enforcing this rule. Is this only an NCAA-W rule? I didn't' think it was, but if so, it's even more ridiculous.

Scrapper1 Fri Nov 18, 2011 03:05pm

NCAA 3-8-4 is a "Women only" rule, but that refers to memorial or commemorative patches. 3-8-1 says that one logo can be on every item of apparel except the undershirt. To me, that means one logo per sock, not per leg. And there's nothing in the casebook under Rule 3 that I can see.

BLydic Fri Nov 18, 2011 05:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 799162)
NCAA 3-8-4 is a "Women only" rule ...

Thanks, didn't know it was a womens only rule.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 799162)
3-8-1 says that one logo can be on every item of apparel except the undershirt. To me, that means one logo per sock, not per leg.

You're right, only one logo per sock is allowed and if you only have one pair of socks on, it's one logo per leg.

Camron Rust Fri Nov 18, 2011 05:51pm

Since there is no NBA right now, it there really an NBA logo or is that just some random colors on the sock?

BillyMac Fri Nov 18, 2011 07:12pm

I Don't Have To Show You Any Stinkin' Badges ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wfd21 (Post 799151)
The reason we enforce it is because we are told to by assignors. I like doing post season games, so I do what I am told.

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5251/5...ca118730_m.jpg

I also do what I'm told to do. I might not like it, but I do it.

My Catholic middle school assigner tells us that if we are ever "caught" not enforcing "Fashion Police" rules, then he is not paying us for that game. Does he mean it? I don't know, but I don't want to end up being a "test case".

jdw3018 Fri Nov 18, 2011 07:27pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 799142)
There are no rules concerning socks. They can wear any socks they want as long as they are safe. So no spikes.

I need to read closer...didn't recognize you'd asked for NCAA...

bob jenkins Fri Nov 18, 2011 08:34pm

The other issue is that one "manufacturers logo" is allowed. Some interpret this as Nike and Addidas are manufacturers and the NBA is not.

IREFU2 Sat Nov 19, 2011 09:38am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 799188)
The other issue is that one "manufacturers logo" is allowed. Some interpret this as Nike and Addidas are manufacturers and the NBA is not.

I concur on this. The NBA is not a Manufaturers logo. I would just make them role them down.

Camron Rust Sat Nov 19, 2011 02:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by IREFU2 (Post 799228)
I concur on this. The NBA is not a Manufaturers logo. I would just make them role them down.

If it matters that they're not a manufacturer's logo, why make them roll the socks down? If they're not illegal, there would be no need.

bob jenkins Sun Nov 20, 2011 10:08am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 799252)
If it matters that they're not a manufacturer's logo, while make them roll the socks down? If they're not illegal, there would be no need.

The only things allowed are mfg / dist logo and, in NCAAW only, commemorative/memorial patches.

A "marketing" logo (or whatever you'd call the NBA logo) is not allowed.

Camron Rust Sun Nov 20, 2011 01:14pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 799289)
The only things allowed are mfg / dist logo and, in NCAAW only, commemorative/memorial patches.

A "marketing" logo (or whatever you'd call the NBA logo) is not allowed.


What about decorative patterns? If it is not a "manufacturers logo", I think it would just be part of the sock's artistic design.

BillyMac Sun Nov 20, 2011 04:04pm

Mr. Clutch ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 799309)
What about decorative patterns? I think it would just be part of the sock's artistic design.

Like a red, white, and blue, decorative image of Jerry West embroidered into the sock?

http://ts4.mm.bing.net/images/thumbn...14b49f6f18639e

JRutledge Sun Nov 20, 2011 04:17pm

Why would anyone care? I thought the rule when the NF had it was stupid, why in the world would anyone care what sock or color sock someone used?

Peace

bob jenkins Sun Nov 20, 2011 05:46pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 799340)
Why would anyone care? I thought the rule when the NF had it was stupid, why in the world would anyone care what sock or color sock someone used?

Peace

While I agree with this, and I'd vote to change the rule / interp if I had a vote, for now those who do get a vote care about it, and if I want to work, I follow the rules and interps.

Tio Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:25am

As any official, I do what the rule book says. Off the record, I feel that this should be something between the NCAA and the institutions. If you want to fix the issue, start fining the schools (like the NFL). I guarantee this issue ends overnight (since most schools provide 100% of all uniform and shoes). It is a much harder fix at the lower levels though.

bainsey Tue Nov 22, 2011 10:35am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 799181)
I also do what I'm told to do. I might not like it, but I do it.

Exactly. If we all enforced only the rules we liked, that would be a mighty mess.

If I'm working a travel or wreck league game, a player could wear #88 with an untucked jersey and a paisley undershirt for all I care. However, if my board assigns me to the game, I enforce what I'm told to enforce (the NFHS rules). It has caused some strife with some middle school players and coaches, but it would help if everyone did their jobs.


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