Its All About Me?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by zm1283

...We know you're god's gift to officiating, you've made that perfectly clear a number of times on here. Unfortunately you give a bad name to the veteran officials who are approachable and try to help whenever asked. Fortunately they do outnumber the ones like you, but one wouldn't know that from reading your diatribes on this board.

JRut regularly works state clinics as an observer so I don't know how you can come to the conclussion that isn't approachable nor helpful with younger officials.

You can be God's gift to officiating and a mentor. The 2 are now mutually exclusive.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

JRut regularly works state clinics as an observer so I don't know how you can come to the conclussion that isn't approachable nor helpful with younger officials.

You can be God's gift to officiating and a mentor. The 2 are now mutually exclusive.

I wasn't really trying to say that he isn't helpful if asked...although it does come off that way at times.

From reading his posts, he insinuated that most veterans don't want to be helpful because younger officials won't listen, which isn't always true. Like I said above, a lot of the ones who don't want to help younger guys are like that because they're afraid they'll be a threat in the near future.

As far as arguments over rules go, there are 2nd year guys and 15th year guys who don't know the rules. It is just more frustrating when a 15th year guy refuses to even discuss the possibility that he may be wrong (When he is definitely wrong) because he's too proud. The 2nd year guy most of the time is just ignorant because of a lack of experience.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

I wasn't really trying to say that he isn't helpful if asked...although it does come off that way at times.

From reading his posts, he insinuated that most veterans don't want to be helpful because younger officials won't listen, which isn't always true. Like I said above, a lot of the ones who don't want to help younger guys are like that because they're afraid they'll be a threat in the near future.

And your evidence for this character aspersion is what?

My experience is that some vets don't bother because some new guys don't care. Neither applies to all, but I've rarely seen a vet back off because he saw the newbie as a threat. That's just ridiculous.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

And your evidence for this character aspersion is what?

My experience is that some vets don't bother because some new guys don't care. Neither applies to all, but I've rarely seen a vet back off because he saw the newbie as a threat. That's just ridiculous.

Let me say that veterans like that are not the majority.

The ones I'm speaking of don't "back off", they are generally off-putting and short to begin with. Don't want to pregame much, won't communicate on the court, etc. Most of them are good officials, they just aren't interested in giving the time of day to someone who isn't one of their buddies. I'm not saying that most veterans are like that, quite the opposite actually, but they do exist.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by zm1283

Let me say that veterans like that are not the majority.

The ones I'm speaking of don't "back off", they are generally off-putting and short to begin with. Don't want to pregame much, won't communicate on the court, etc. Most of them are good officials, they just aren't interested in giving the time of day to someone who isn't one of their buddies. I'm not saying that most veterans are like that, quite the opposite actually, but they do exist.

You're confusing me. For one, I'm not which category you put or don't put most officials into.

Second, your judgment of their motives, in the previous post to which I responded, indicates a judgment that can't possibly be warranted.

[zm1283]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're confusing me. For one, I'm not which category you put or don't put most officials into.

Second, your judgment of their motives, in the previous post to which I responded, indicates a judgment that can't possibly be warranted.

I don't put most officials into the category of "I'm too good to work with a younger official". Those guys are the minority, but I'm just making the point that they do exist.

I guess there is no way to know for sure what their motives are, but after working with several it seems to become apparent.

There are a lot of good veteran officials that are great to work with in my area, and I do agree with JRut in that you should only listen to a few. It becomes obvious who the ones are that A) Want to genuinely help you, and B) Know what the hell they're talking about.