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referee99 Fri Oct 28, 2011 11:14pm

NFHS Rules book & case book on my phone.
 
Just downloaded the NFHS rules book and case book app to my Android phone. $5.99 avail at Android marketplace. Searchable content. Perfect!

cmhjordan23 Sat Oct 29, 2011 11:00am

What was the app called? Looking for it on my iPhone but I'm guessing apple doesn't have it.

referee99 Sat Oct 29, 2011 09:39pm

I searched on NFHS
 
.... and that did the trick on the Android Market.

Bad Zebra Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:40am

Does anyone have the 2011-12 rulebook in PDF format that they would be willing to share? Please send me a private message. I'd like to download to an ipad.

I tried getting access on the Fed site which now goes through arbiter. At that point, I got a message that access is restricted. Not sure why that happened as our local and state asociations are Fed members and I have successfully gotten access to rule books before.

Scratch85 Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:00pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 796823)
I tried getting access on the Fed site which now goes through arbiter. At that point, I got a message that access is restricted. Not sure why that happened as our local and state asociations are Fed members and I have successfully gotten access to rule books before.

Exact same thing happened to me. I hope it is a site problem and becomes accessible later.

Camron Rust Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:33pm

I've heard they're moving to a searchable but non-downloadable format to prevent people from doing exactly what is being requested above. They want to protect their $$$.

Bad Zebra Tue Nov 01, 2011 02:54pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 796837)
I've heard they're moving to a searchable but non-downloadable format to prevent people from doing exactly what is being requested above. They want to protect their $$$.

That makes perfect sense. Make it MORE DIFFICULT to gain access to the most valuable items they provide. :rolleyes: If I wasn't already PAYING to be a member, then I wouldn't have access to the site anyway. Eliminating the need for a paper copy has to be more cost efficient. I'd be willing to trade the paper product for the electronic.

Raymond Tue Nov 01, 2011 03:53pm

Just got an email today saying there is a searchable rule and case book now available for smart phones and the such.

BktBallRef Tue Nov 01, 2011 04:37pm

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Originally Posted by cmhjordan23 (Post 796401)
What was the app called? Looking for it on my iPhone but I'm guessing apple doesn't have it.


The iPhone and iPad versions will be released soon.

Camron Rust Tue Nov 01, 2011 05:30pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef (Post 796888)
Just got an email today saying there is a searchable rule and case book now available for smart phones and the such.

For a few more $.

Camron Rust Tue Nov 01, 2011 05:31pm

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Originally Posted by Bad Zebra (Post 796870)
That makes perfect sense. Make it MORE DIFFICULT to gain access to the most valuable items they provide. :rolleyes: If I wasn't already PAYING to be a member, then I wouldn't have access to the site anyway. Eliminating the need for a paper copy has to be more cost efficient. I'd be willing to trade the paper product for the electronic.

The problem was that paying members were downloading it and giving it to non-paying parties or even posting it on the internet for many to see.

Eastshire Wed Nov 02, 2011 08:15am

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 796903)
The problem was that paying members were downloading it and giving it to non-paying parties or even posting it on the internet for many to see.

The problem is that they charge for an electronic copy in the first place. The rules ought to be freely available with a printed copy costing just enough to cover the printing. The goal should be the widest possible distribution of the rules, not turning the rules into a profit center.

The cost of the app ($5.99) is shocking especially as it is clear they intend to make you pay each year.

Camron Rust Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:35am

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 796962)
The problem is that they charge for an electronic copy in the first place. The rules ought to be freely available with a printed copy costing just enough to cover the printing. The goal should be the widest possible distribution of the rules, not turning the rules into a profit center.

The cost of the app ($5.99) is shocking especially as it is clear they intend to make you pay each year.

For the NFHS, the rule book sales (an now the electronic sales) is their primary source of revenue and is used to fund their operations. They can't give it away for cost or cost plus a little or they couldn't operate. They basically have no other way to collect money.

The NCAA does as you suggest....providing free downloadable versions. But, as is obvious, they make money from other sources far larger than they'd ever make in rulebook sales.

kwatson Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:42am

[QUOTE=Camron Rust;796999]For the NFHS, the rule book sales (an now the electronic sales) is their primary source of revenue and is used to fund their operations. They can't give it away for cost or cost plus a little or they couldn't operate. They basically have no other way to collect money.


Do I understand this correctly and there is a downloadable version of the NFHS rule book? (other than the app) I looked and all I found was the hard copy. Im willing to pay just would rather have it on my comp. Thanks

Camron Rust Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:51pm

[QUOTE=kwatson;797002]
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 796999)
Do I understand this correctly and there is a downloadable version of the NFHS rule book? (other than the app) I looked and all I found was the hard copy. Im willing to pay just would rather have it on my comp. Thanks

There was as one point for those that had an NFHS membership (which, by the way, is often paid for through your state association). But those paying members often passed it along to those that didn't have an NFHS membership I think they ultimately removed it in favor of a searchable reference which is not so easily transferable....as well as once the app was made available.

Eastshire Wed Nov 02, 2011 12:58pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 796999)
For the NFHS, the rule book sales (an now the electronic sales) is their primary source of revenue and is used to fund their operations. They can't give it away for cost or cost plus a little or they couldn't operate. They basically have no other way to collect money.

The NCAA does as you suggest....providing free downloadable versions. But, as is obvious, they make money from other sources far larger than they'd ever make in rulebook sales.

Then find some other way of funding it, or (and honestly I like this better) just give up and go away and we can go back to using rule authorities that care more about the game than trying desperately to justify their existence.

And honestly, how much money does it cost to get 6 people in one room in Indianapolis once a year?

KCRC Wed Nov 02, 2011 01:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 796962)
The problem is that they charge for an electronic copy in the first place. The rules ought to be freely available with a printed copy costing just enough to cover the printing. The goal should be the widest possible distribution of the rules, not turning the rules into a profit center.

The cost of the app ($5.99) is shocking especially as it is clear they intend to make you pay each year.

Amen!!!

A running joke in many threads on this site and of officials in general is the lack of rules knowledge of fans. If a fan would like to look up a rule on their own (I know, it wouldn't happen very often), why wouldn't the NFHS encourage that? Makes no sense. As Eashshire says, shouldn't the widest possible distribution and understanding of the rules be a primary goal?

APG Wed Nov 02, 2011 01:36pm

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Originally Posted by KCRC (Post 797038)
Amen!!!

A running joke in many threads on this site and of officials in general is the lack of rules knowledge of fans. If a fan would like to look up a rule on their own (I know, it wouldn't happen very often), why wouldn't the NFHS encourage that? Makes no sense. As Eashshire says, shouldn't the widest possible distribution and understanding of the rules be a primary goal?

The NCAA and many other pro sports make their rules book available for free online, and I wouldn't say that fans of those sports are any more knowledgable about the sport. The simple fact is 99 percent of fans aren't going to go that route. The 1 percent that will, would probably spend the six dollars on getting the rules book if they really want to know or hit up this forum telling us how the big, bad, mean referee screwed his team over.

Camron Rust Wed Nov 02, 2011 01:39pm

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 797024)
Then find some other way of funding it, or (and honestly I like this better) just give up and go away and we can go back to using rule authorities that care more about the game than trying desperately to justify their existence.

And honestly, how much money does it cost to get 6 people in one room in Indianapolis once a year?

Can't say I disagree with that.

But I doubt the only thing they do is meet once a year to discuss rule changes. Now whether they should do those other things or not is certainly another topic.

WhistlesAndStripes Sat Nov 12, 2011 08:37am

Anyone know what the definition of "soon" is with regards to the release of the iPhone/iPad app?

BktBallRef Sat Nov 12, 2011 10:56am

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Originally Posted by Eastshire (Post 797024)
And honestly, how much money does it cost to get 6 people in one room in Indianapolis once a year?

Are you really that simple minded?

JRutledge Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:25am

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Originally Posted by KCRC (Post 797038)
Amen!!!

A running joke in many threads on this site and of officials in general is the lack of rules knowledge of fans. If a fan would like to look up a rule on their own (I know, it wouldn't happen very often), why wouldn't the NFHS encourage that? Makes no sense. As Eashshire says, shouldn't the widest possible distribution and understanding of the rules be a primary goal?

You would be surprised how many people do not even know what the NF is. There are people that believe in my state that the IHSA comes up with the rules changes and blame them for when changes take place they do not like. You really think a fan is going to know where to look for this information? Fans are ignorant and always will be when they only worry about these things when something "wrong" happens in their mind.

Peace

WhistlesAndStripes Tue Dec 06, 2011 07:24pm

Anyone heard anything more in the iPhone/iPad apps? I really miss not being able to have my books in PDF format on my iPad.

chseagle Tue Dec 06, 2011 08:06pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Whistles & Stripes (Post 802466)
Anyone heard anything more in the iPhone/iPad apps? I really miss not being able to have my books in PDF format on my iPad.

That would be great to have those available on iPod.

Welpe Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:09pm

I'm guessing this never made it out for iPhones. Lovely...

DLH17 Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:19pm

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Originally Posted by Welpe (Post 812164)
I'm guessing this never made it out for iPhones. Lovely...

I'm still hopeful...

Welpe Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:24pm

Might as well hope for next season at this rate...

fullor30 Tue Jan 10, 2012 11:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by KCRC (Post 797038)
Amen!!!

A running joke in many threads on this site and of officials in general is the lack of rules knowledge of fans. If a fan would like to look up a rule on their own (I know, it wouldn't happen very often), why wouldn't the NFHS encourage that? Makes no sense. As Eashshire says, shouldn't the widest possible distribution and understanding of the rules be a primary goal?

Are you daft? Why? Primary goal?

Nevadaref Wed Jan 11, 2012 06:17am

This season's Rules and Case books are available in PDF.
For those of you who want them, send an email to my screen name at hotmail dot com.


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