When did in-game dunking become legal?

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How about the rule that the fouling player has to raise their hand?

Don't really see any need for this. What if a player didn't know he committed a foul? What if the wrong player raised their hand? If I put air in the whistle for a foul, I don't need a player to raise his hand.

Quite frankly, I think that rule is one of the stupidest ones I read, and I'm way too young to ever have played with the rule or have to officiate a game with it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

Don't really see any need for this. What if a player didn't know he committed a foul? What if the wrong player raised their hand? If I put air in the whistle for a foul, I don't need a player to raise his hand.

Quite frankly, I think that rule is one of the stupidest ones I read, and I'm way too young to ever have played with the rule or have to officiate a game with it.

I first started playing about the time the rule disappeared, and I don't recall it really doing anything productive. I do, however, recall officials enforcing it in my Jr. High games.

[chseagle]

So besides only active players requesting timeouts, what other changes to the rules from old would you like to see implemented?

Which timeout length is better? 20 sec. or 30 sec.?

I see that NFHS keeps discussing the idea of adopting the shot clock, however they keep dismissing due to cost issues, among other things.

[APG]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So besides only active players requesting timeouts, what other changes to the rules from old would you like to see implemented?

Which timeout length is better? 20 sec. or 30 sec.?

I see that NFHS keeps discussing the idea of adopting the shot clock, however they keep dismissing due to cost issues, among other things.

20 vs. 30 second timeouts...save at most 20 seconds, so that's a none issue to me. I don't know when NF decided we needed to be the uniform police (maybe it's always been that way), but if there was a time we weren't concern about matching undershirts and all that stupid stuff, I'd vote to go back to the former way.

As far as a shot clock, I've always been one that has said the shot clock should be implemented...and mandate it in 5-10 years like they did with the white jerseys (it'd probably have to be closer to 10 years).

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

20 vs. 30 second timeouts...save at most 20 seconds, so that's a none issue to me. I don't know when NF decided we needed to be the uniform police (maybe it's always been that way), but if there was a time we weren't concern about matching undershirts and all that stupid stuff, I'd vote to go back to the former way.

As far as a shot clock, I've always been one that has said the shot clock should be implemented...and mandate it in 5-10 years like they did with the white jerseys (it'd probably have to be closer to 10 years).

Concerning undershirts, there were rule adoptions in 1984 & 1996. It seems in the past 11 years is when the majority of the "Uniform Police" rules came into effect. It surprises me however that the "No jewelry" rule has been in effect since 1977, yet at least once a year it needs to be mentioned.

NFHS is complaining about the cost of having to add shot clocks and one additional table official, yet there are schools getting new scoreboards every 2-5 years. (Example: though not HS, Washington State University has just put in a new scoreboard that costs $3 million, though the scoreboards in use were installed in 1992)

[Adam]

Seriously? Your example is a major university in a BCS conference replacing a 20 year old scoreboard? Seriously?

[chseagle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Seriously? Your example is a major university in a BCS conference replacing a 20 year old scoreboard? Seriously?

I could of used the example of the school I assist at, however I do not know the exact cost of the new scoreboards installed.

[MD Longhorn]

Originally Posted by chseagle

NFHS is complaining about the cost of having to add shot clocks and one additional table official, yet there are schools getting new scoreboards every 2-5 years. (Example: though not HS, Washington State University has just put in a new scoreboard that costs $3 million, though the scoreboards in use were installed in 1992)

This ties for the dumbest thing ever posted on the internet.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by AllPurposeGamer

As far as a shot clock, I've always been one that has said the shot clock should be implemented...and mandate it in 5-10 years like they did with the white jerseys (it'd probably have to be closer to 10 years).

I have yet to see a truly compelling argument for forcing the schools to buy, maintain, and operate extra equipment, regardless of how marginal the cost might be.

[That Don Guy]

Originally Posted by chseagle

How about the rule that the fouling player has to raise their hand?

And remember, that's "one" hand, and it must be lowered "properly". Automatic technical for raising both hands, or for showing any sort of anger when lowering it.

Originally Posted by chseagle

NFHS is complaining about the cost of having to add shot clocks and one additional table official, yet there are schools getting new scoreboards every 2-5 years.

True, but how many HS scoreboards are paid for by the schools themselves, as opposed to soft drink companies as part of an exclusivity deal with the school? I don't think they'll throw in shot clocks (with no room for advertising) as well. Besides, the main cost of adding a shot clock is paying the operator, which is something you were doing anyway when replacing a scoreboard.

[bowlingref]

One thing that was done in Va was we had even numbers for our home uniforms and odd numbers for our road uniforms. My numbers were 20-21. That way all the ref had to keep up with was the number and not the color. We had to raise our hand if we commited a foul and yes we would try to get someone else to raise their hand if the fouling player was in foul trouble. A couple of the refs we had made a major deal out of it. I saw where one of them passed away the other day and my first thought was did he have to raise his hand to pass through the Perly Gates. We could not dunk either. Graduated H.S in 1970.

[amusedofficial]

The no-dunk rule was added because a kid named Alcindor at Power Memorial in New York changed the way they played the game

The raise-your-hand rule was sometimes manipulated by having a player raise his hand to try to take a foul called on someone in foul trouble. It rarely worked.

Adding a shot clock does not mean buying new scoreboards. Shot clock timers can be retrofitted to the facility and are in many locations where shot clock rules were added. It can be a timer under the basket or against the gym wall or next to the scoreboard. In many schools with one scoreboard, the home team picks its bench so it will face the scoreboard, and thus the clock, during the last period, so everyone isn't getting a clear look at the time at all times anyway.

Can we bring back the hand paddles for team and player fouls? NO? OK.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bowlingref

One thing that was done in Va was we had even numbers for our home uniforms and odd numbers for our road uniforms. My numbers were 20-21. That way all the ref had to keep up with was the number and not the color. We had to raise our hand if we commited a foul and yes we would try to get someone else to raise their hand if the fouling player was in foul trouble. A couple of the refs we had made a major deal out of it. I saw where one of them passed away the other day and my first thought was did he have to raise his hand to pass through the Perly Gates. We could not dunk either. Graduated H.S in 1970.

You from the Hampton Roads area?

[bainsey]

Originally Posted by chseagle

So besides only active players requesting timeouts, what other changes to the rules from old would you like to see implemented?

For NCAA (not high school!), bring back the jump ball over the AP arrow. That's one I believe the NBA has right.

[APG]

Originally Posted by bainsey

For NCAA (not high school!), bring back the jump ball over the AP arrow. That's one I believe the NBA has right.

I'd like this too...maybe just for the men's side. Even at the NCAA at WNBA level, there are that many more held ball situations (insert joke that sure to come from somebody) than at the comparable level on the men's side.