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bob jenkins Thu Oct 06, 2011 01:24pm
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Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 791872)
Two-whistle game, you're lead, administering B1's free throws. During said throws, what's your best advice for determining whether A2 (in the lowest position, opposite) is getting pushed by B2 to the point of a foul during the shot and boxout?
My best advice is to not look there because that's the T's / C's responsibility. L has rebounding on his/her side.

tref Thu Oct 06, 2011 01:49pm
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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 791880)
My best advice is to not look there because that's the T's / C's responsibility. L has rebounding on his/her side.
Even if its the kid of a family friend? ;)

MiamiWadeCounty Thu Oct 06, 2011 02:20pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 791643)
It basically means that the player is not contesting the player's movement. In other words they are allowing the player to go where they want. Now if they try to hold that position or fight the movement, that is a different story. That is one reason it is hard to decide who is doing what sometimes because both players are moving to keep their position. When one gets and advantage it should be a foul.

Peace
So, if the opponent gives ground, you cannot displace him, correct?

JRutledge Thu Oct 06, 2011 02:25pm
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Originally Posted by MiamiWadeCounty (Post 791896)
So, if the opponent gives ground, you cannot displace him, correct?
How are you displacing anyone if that person is moving in the same direction you are?

Peace

MiamiWadeCounty Thu Oct 06, 2011 02:40pm
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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 791897)
How are you displacing anyone if that person is moving in the same direction you are?

Peace
LOL So giving ground means something like to back away? I didn't know that was what it meant. Sorry to ask that question.

JRutledge Thu Oct 06, 2011 02:46pm
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Originally Posted by MiamiWadeCounty (Post 791900)
LOL So giving ground means something like to back away? I didn't know that was what it meant. Sorry to ask that question.
What is the definition of displacement?

Displace: "To move or shift from the usual place or position."

So in order to have a foul for displacement of some kind, you have to move a person with contact to another position or place. Giving ground basically means you are moving with the person and allowing them to go where they want to. I am not mad you asked the question, just trying to explain to you what this means.

Peace

Camron Rust Thu Oct 06, 2011 03:23pm
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Originally Posted by Amesman (Post 791872)

Let me clarify: A2 is not jumping, but rather digging in for the box-out. There's a total straight-lining there.

....asked later if he was really getting the pressure from behind and he said yes.
So, if A2 wasn't displaced, that means that A2 is applying just as much pressure in the opposite direction....Newton says so.

So, who is really doing the pushing? One player wants to move their opponent in, and the other wants to move their opponent out.....or they want to resist being displaced. Both are applying pressure in roughly equal amounts. Only when one displaces the other (or it becomes too rough) does the contact become a foul....and either one could be the guilty party.

Adam Thu Oct 06, 2011 11:30pm
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Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 791903)
So, if A2 wasn't displaced, that means that A2 is applying just as much pressure in the opposite direction....Newton says so.

So, who is really doing the pushing? One player wants to move their opponent in, and the other wants to move their opponent out.....or they want to resist being displaced. Both are applying pressure in roughly equal amounts. Only when one displaces the other (or it becomes too rough) does the contact become a foul....and either one could be the guilty party.
Not necessarily, inertia plays a factor, as does size difference.


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