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Jeremy Hohn Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:34pm

..it's all about sacrifice.....
 
The thing about it is....if you are going to be officiating the type of athletes that are out there now on the college floor, you need to make the sacrifices to stay in shape that the college game demands. I also get peeved by guys that "let themselves go" once they have reached a certain level of play. It looks sloppy, and YES I know there is no substitute for experience, but why not keep yourself in shape for presentation purposes?

BktBallRef Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:50pm

It's easy to sit at a computer and talk about what this person should do or that person should, especially by those who have never had to fight a weight problem. But the fact is that each person's metabolism and body is different. I'm sure everyone would like to be athletic, fit and trim. But it's not possible. It's extremely difficult to lose weight for many people, especially after a person is into their 30's or 40's.

I didn't see any problems with regards to this official getting into position to make calls. No, he didn't look athletic and slim but he got the job done. I'm 6'4" and weigh 250, so I'm no gazelle myself. But I worked an SC game this year and I got the job done. I wouldn't have been selected if I couldn't do it. I'm confident, that if there was a problem, Gerald wouldn't have been assigned to the game to begin with.

Like Brad wrote, he's on the game, we're sitting at home. 'Nough said.

Jeremy Hohn Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:59pm

..I agree...BUT...
 
...my problem isn't with those that battle weight problems. I am now going to be 31 years old and I have to work harder and harder each year, running many miles in the offseason to fit into my size 32 pants season after season. My problem is with those that don't feel they owe it to the kids to come into the season prepared not only mentally but PHYSICALLY as well. I guess I am not even referring to the final four official, but rather to all of us in general...

BktBallRef Tue Apr 08, 2003 11:03pm

Re: ..I agree...BUT...
 
Quote:

Originally posted by Jeremy Hohn
...my problem isn't with those that battle weight problems. I am now going to be 31 years old and I have to work harder and harder each year, running many miles in the offseason to fit into my size 32 pants season after season. My problem is with those that don't feel they owe it to the kids to come into the season prepared not only mentally but PHYSICALLY as well. I guess I am not even referring to the final four official, but rather to all of us in general...
I'm referring to those who would criticize this official, in this post, simply because he's overweight. We can certainly discuss the point you make but I think it's separate from this specific issue. I don't think this official fits that mold and, evidently, you don't either.

Jeremy Hohn Wed Apr 09, 2003 12:40am

Well obviously I am not in the final four if that is what you mean, but I DID referee a college juco regional and am rated one of the top officials in a couple conferences, but enough of that..

I agree these folks are chosen by those far more knowledgeable then myself, but to see them "do as I say and not as I do" stuff makes a guy wonder....(see posts about "C" officials and leads calling across the paint)

BktBallRef Wed Apr 09, 2003 01:01am

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Originally posted by Jeremy Hohn
I agree these folks are chosen by those far more knowledgeable then myself, but to see them "do as I say and not as I do" stuff makes a guy wonder....
When has Gerald Boudreaux ever told you to lose weight? Isn't that the topic of this discussion, his physical condition? :confused:

Jeremy Hohn Wed Apr 09, 2003 01:21am

okay....I did stray off topic and no he hasn't ever told me that...I guess my point is made and I will rest....

Nevadaref Wed Apr 09, 2003 01:58am

I have been one of the stronger supporters of Gerald Boudreaux during the last few threads on this board. I was very impressed with his calls throughout. Remember, he is the official who came over and corrected the wrong backcourt violation called in the Mich St. game. That said, he botched the 5th foul on Langford. The contact was slight at best and the dribbler was already falling down. Now there are some mitigating circumstances to consider too. First this was a long outlet pass. The play was a quick transition. The players were one on one down there at the other end. Boudreaux was the new lead. Yes, he got to the endline, but he was on the opposite side of the paint. The C was in decent position on his side in my opinion. I have been taught that this is the lead's call IN TRANSITION. If the C could help fine. Bottom line: I think that he had a poor look at this one and likely thought something had to be called.
If I were evaluating him, I would say: he choked one call there. So what? And yes, he is a bit overweight. However, after watching all three of his tournament games, I can say that he convinced me that I could have confidence in him on a game.

Nevadaref Wed Apr 09, 2003 02:24am

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Originally posted by Joe

In the last minute Graves took out Anthony with a cross body block right in front and 5 feet from the Center (the Center helped Anthony up and seemed to ask him if he was OK (he really got nailed))...no call.
All and all I thought they did well, but in that game a few
calls seemed out of context. The Langford 5th stands out.

Joe

[/B][/QUOTE]
Joe,
That play happened on a throw-in, so it happened right in front of the TRAIL, not the center. Also since Graves, who dove to the floor, and Anthony, who was still OOB after passing the ball in when he tripped over him, both were no longer part of the play, I think that it was a wise choice to let this go as incidental contact. Look at this from Graves's perspective: It is not a foul to be tripped over. The official did a good job to watch the play and make sure nothing unusual happened and then detangle the players. The better officials let the stuff that doesn't matter go.

ChuckElias Wed Apr 09, 2003 07:39am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
But I worked an SC game this year and I got the job done.
Tony, I thought you were in North Carolina ;)

mick Wed Apr 09, 2003 07:44am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
I'm 6'4" and weigh 250, so I'm no gazelle myself.
I thought you were 220 and floated like a flutterby.

Bart Tyson Wed Apr 09, 2003 08:18am

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Originally posted by Nevadaref I have been taught that this is the lead's call IN TRANSITION.

Well, for years I've been taught this is the C's call, because its on the C's side. I guess this explains why the Men's side has trouble with calling out of their primary.




Bottom line: If I were evaluating him, I would say: he choked one call there. So what? [/B]
I agree, So what. Well officiated game.

Joe Wed Apr 09, 2003 08:39am

"Also since Graves, who dove to the floor, and Anthony, who was still OOB after passing the ball in when he tripped over him..."

Anthony tripped over Graves??? He tried to jump over him, but was clipped at the ankles when Graves flew through him.
Anthony didn't take a step. He couldn't.

"The better officials let the stuff that doesn't matter go."

Clearly you and Mick are right. The book on Anthony was to
run 270 pounders through him as often as possible, and hit him with a lot of "incidental contact." Texas did it too.

But don't miss any of those couldn't crush a grape hip checks on the ball 'cause we want a good "clean game."

Anyone want to bet if Anthony will be back for another
year of "incidental contact and stuff that doesn't matter"?



Quote:

Originally posted by Nevadaref
Quote:

Originally posted by Joe

In the last minute Graves took out Anthony with a cross body block right in front and 5 feet from the Center (the Center helped Anthony up and seemed to ask him if he was OK (he really got nailed))...no call.
All and all I thought they did well, but in that game a few
calls seemed out of context. The Langford 5th stands out.

Joe


Joe,
That play happened on a throw-in, so it happened right in front of the TRAIL, not the center. Also since Graves, who dove to the floor, and Anthony, who was still OOB after passing the ball in when he tripped over him, both were no longer part of the play, I think that it was a wise choice to let this go as incidental contact. Look at this from Graves's perspective: It is not a foul to be tripped over. The official did a good job to watch the play and make sure nothing unusual happened and then detangle the players. The better officials let the stuff that doesn't matter go. [/B][/QUOTE]

BktBallRef Wed Apr 09, 2003 09:53am

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Originally posted by ChuckElias
Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
But I worked an SC game this year and I got the job done.
Tony, I thought you were in North Carolina ;)

But I worked a State Championship game this year and I got the job done.

Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by BktBallRef
I'm 6'4" and weigh 250, so I'm no gazelle myself.
I thought you were 220 and floated like a flutterby.

More like, "sink like a rock."

ChuckElias Wed Apr 09, 2003 10:09am

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Tony, I thought you were in North Carolina ;)
But I worked a State Championship game this year and I got the job done. [/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, come on. I understood that. I was just funnin' ya. Maybe I used the wrong smiley? :)

Chuck


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