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JRutledge Tue Apr 08, 2003 02:42pm

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Originally posted by AK ref SE
My question! If this same official was Thinner would our perception of the way he made calls have changed?

AK ref SE

I would say no. I think the fact that this guy was bigger than most has fueled the critical comments made here. But that is my take.

Peace

Joe Tue Apr 08, 2003 02:43pm


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Originally posted by Joe
After letting guys
tackle each other, he called the 5th on Langford when the
Syracuse guy fell over his own feet.
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>Langford slid his lower body into the opponent

Maybe, but the only reason they even made contact
was that Edlin lost his balance and fell into Langford.

Also, should that have even been the C's call? The T and L didn't even make it down the court.


> while he was holding his hands straight up.
Dumb foul.
Good call.
mick

DownTownTonyBrown Tue Apr 08, 2003 02:48pm

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I do not recall anyone saying you had to be a size 6 to officiate a basketball game.[/QUOTE]

Is Gerald a girl? :D

What kind of clothes do you wear, Jeff?

JRutledge Tue Apr 08, 2003 03:34pm

I was being facetious.
 
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Originally posted by DownTownTonyBrown


Is Gerald a girl? :D

What kind of clothes do you wear, Jeff?

He might be. :D




mick Tue Apr 08, 2003 03:37pm

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Originally posted by Joe

Also, should that have even been the C's call? The T and L didn't even make it down the court.

Joe,
If you are saying the Center beat the Lead down the court, I didn't see it.
Play came from Center side.
He saw the defender step in with his hips.
So did I. ;)
mick


Joe Tue Apr 08, 2003 06:25pm

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Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Joe

Also, should that have even been the C's call? The T and L didn't even make it down the court.

Joe,
If you are saying the Center beat the Lead down the court, I didn't see it.
Play came from Center side.
He saw the defender step in with his hips.
So did I. ;)

mick

Well, I think the Lead (who was later getting back), had it
as a travel. Anyway, the isssue is consistency. In the last minute Graves took out Anthony with a cross body block right
in front and 5 feet from the Center (the Center helped Anthony up and seemed to ask him if he was OK (he really got nailed))...no call.
All and all I thought they did well, but in that game a few
calls seemed out of context. The Langford 5th stands out.

Joe





mick Tue Apr 08, 2003 07:02pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Joe
In the last minute Graves took out Anthony with a cross body block right
in front and 5 feet from the Center (the Center helped Anthony up and seemed to ask him if he was OK (he really got nailed))...no call.


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Joe,
In that play, the defender was trailing the opponent near the sideline. The offensive guy was ahead, near the spot, when Anthony flipped the ball in.
At the same time as Anthony released the ball, the trailing defender dived after it, missed the ball; his momentum caused him to roll into Anthony, who was elevating, still out-of-bounds, when he saw the defender falling his way.
With Anthony going up and the defender hitting Anthony's ankles, Anthony took a fall.
That was a real fine example of incidental contact and the use of a no-call spiced with the tincture of the Tower Philosophy. :)
mick

BktBallRef Tue Apr 08, 2003 07:44pm

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Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Joe

Also, should that have even been the C's call? The T and L didn't even make it down the court.

Joe,
If you are saying the Center beat the Lead down the court, I didn't see it.
Play came from Center side.
He saw the defender step in with his hips.
So did I. ;)
mick

Gentlemen, the L made the call. The C passed on it.

mick Tue Apr 08, 2003 07:57pm

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Originally posted by BktBallRef
Quote:

Originally posted by mick
Quote:

Originally posted by Joe

Also, should that have even been the C's call? The T and L didn't even make it down the court.

Joe,
If you are saying the Center beat the Lead down the court, I didn't see it.
Play came from Center side.
He saw the defender step in with his hips.
So did I. ;)
mick

Gentlemen, the L made the call. The C passed on it.

Okay. Makes sense to me. Center wouldn't have seen the hips.

Bart Tyson Tue Apr 08, 2003 09:11pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mick
Quote:

[i]]

Joe,
Langford slid his lower body into the opponent while he was holding his hands straight up.
Dumb foul.
Good call.
mick
Well Mick, its not too often i disagree with you. I don't think that was a foul. Even more so when you consider the way the game was being officiated. There is no question the official was out of position on this play. He was straight line. In fact the C had the best view and he did not have a call. I don't want anyone to misunderstand, I think this game was well officiated. Anyone who thinks they can officiate a perfect game, let them cast the first stone.

mick Tue Apr 08, 2003 09:23pm

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bart Tyson
Quote:

Originally posted by mick

Well Mick, its not too often i disagree with you. I don't think that was a foul. Even more so when you consider the way the game was being officiated. There is no question the official was out of position on this play. He was straight line. In fact the C had the best view and he did not have a call. I don't want anyone to misunderstand, I think this game was well officiated. Anyone who thinks they can officiate a perfect game, let them cast the first stone.
Well, Bart,
It might not have been called if the offensive guy hadn't fallen/tripped in front of <B><i>T</i></B>-thousand people, not to mention Television Land.
I figgered it was one of those, "Dang, I <u>gotta</u> get that" fouls.
But, hey, if it's in your primary, you got the call and I got yer back. ;)
mick

Bart Tyson Tue Apr 08, 2003 09:31pm

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[i]
But, hey, if it's in your primary, you got the call and I got yer back. ;)
mick
[/B]
Are you sure that was the L Primary? I thought the shot was on the Left side of the basket and the L was straight line on the other side of the basket. I don't think he was to the baseline yet.

mick Tue Apr 08, 2003 09:51pm

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson

Are you sure that was the L Primary? I thought the shot was on the Left side of the basket and the L was straight line on the other side of the basket. I don't think he was to the baseline yet.

Bart,
I ain't sure about anything, anymore.
It seems like I could see an official opposite and that the camera shot was from the table side of the lane on the baseline.


Drive from left side? YU.P.
I thought the offensive player was starting to lose the handle on the ball toward out of bounds, and when the defender noticed that, he offered a little thigh thump on the offensive guy in mid-stride which threw off the balance.

At my age my mental synapses short-circuit at times. :(

Was the illegal contact there? Yeah.
Was it consistent with the rest of the game? Dunno.
Did it have to be called? Yes, I think, because of the environment.

I may not even be thinking of the same play. :rolleyes:

mick

Bart Tyson Tue Apr 08, 2003 09:57pm

Mick, Are you surrrreeee, or are you trying to straddle the fence? Which way are you going?

mick Tue Apr 08, 2003 10:02pm

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Originally posted by Bart Tyson
Mick, Are you surrrreeee, or are you trying to straddle the fence? Which way are you going?
<I>Drive from left side? YU.P.
I thought the offensive player was starting to lose the handle on the ball toward out of bounds, and when the defender noticed that, he offered a little thigh thump on the offensive guy in mid-stride which threw off the balance.

Was the illegal contact there? Yeah.
Was it consistent with the rest of the game? Dunno.
Did it have to be called? Yes, I think, because of the environment.

</I>

Yeah, Bart,
I\'m sure.
No fence.
Dumb foul.
Good call.
mick



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