GO CUBS!

<font size = +6> SOX WIN!!!!!</font>

Well, I have to admit. I'm pulling for a Sox-Cubs World Series. One of these two teams and their fans needs some relief from years and years of mediocrity. :)

Congrats to Chuck,Mark,etc. Gonna be fun!:D

Had to change your underwear right after the game,didn't ya?

PS-did they deport Kim?

Congratulations to you and Chuck. I think the Yankees bought some new brooms yesterday. :D

I was sweatin' a little. My wife had the sheets pulled up over her eyes on every pitch. Then she'd peek out to see what happened. Chicks. LOL.

Let me ask you this. Bottom ninth. One out, runners on 2nd and 3rd. Lowe (RHP) on the mound, and a lefty at bat. How can you NOT intentionally walk the batter? Plus, it was a one-run game, so it's not like they would've been putting the tying run on base. It worked out, and I'm "wicked" happy :) but I was pulling out my hair yelling at the TV, yelling at Grady to put up four fingers, yelling at Varitek to stand up and put one arm out. Nobody listened. Maybe just as well. I don't know. . .

No. Didn't you see him in his sweatshirt sitting on the bullpen bench? But he has definitely been relegated to "last resort" status after flipping off the crowd at Fenway before Sunday's game. Plus Little ruined his confidence by taking him out of Saturday's game. My guess is that he's useless as a closer now.

And yes, it is gonna be a TON of fun. :)

I believe Nostradamus predicted a Sox-Cubs WS with the end of time occurring bottom of the 8th of the 6th game, Kim coming in to pitch with the game tied 3-3, 2 men on.

Now?

I hear that last night about 10PM or so east coast time in the region north & east of a line running from Milford CT to Albany NY every flame, from stove pilot light to blast furnace, was extinguished due to the collective gasp of every living soul watching that sloooooooow roller dribble down the first base line.

True? :D

Congrats to you long suffering sox fans, gonna be fun, I'll go out on a limb - NY in 6, maybe 5.

I hear that last night about 10PM or so east coast time in the region north & east of a line running from Milford CT to Albany NY every flame, from stove pilot light to blast furnace, was extinguished due to the collective gasp of every living soul watching that sloooooooow roller dribble down the first base line.

True?

[/B][/QUOTE]Only partially. Actually,they were <b>lighting</b> their stove pilot lights.Not worth putting their heads in the oven otherwise.

He was never great, but he wasn't useless. He had 16 saves in the regular season, which was tops on the team.

Funny you mention Milford; that's my hometown. The dribbler was definitely a weird moment. If the fielder runs toward home to field it while it's fair, you risk the batter running past him, being safe at 1st, and the guy on 3rd scoring. If he waits for it to get to him and it goes foul, then you give the batter another chance. Wow.

I'm not going to make any prediction; I've been a Sox fan for too long to do that. (After Game 4, my 8-year-old daughter was whooping and saying "nyah nyah". I quickly taught her not to tempt the baseball gods by taunting the A's. So this morning when I told her the Sox won the series, she said, "Can I say 'nyah nyah' now?" I told her ok :) ) But I will say that this team is much better than the ALCS team of '99 and that this Yankees team -- despite the 100 wins -- is not as strong as the team that beat the Sox in '99. Should be a great series.

Nah! That wasn't why he didn't charge it. He envisioned the ball rolling through his legs into right field, as the A's scored the winning run!! :D

Ahh Chuck, it's not too late to give your young daughter a precious gift: the gift of being able to revel in the thrill of confidently and proudly proclaiming "nyah nyah" without expecting to incur the wrath of the many gods of baseball. Please, it's not too late to make her a Yankees fan!

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But I will say that this team is much better than the ALCS team of '99 and that this Yankees team -- despite the 100 wins -- is not as strong as the team that beat the Sox in '99. Should be a great series.

This better team didn't show up very often against the dreadfully suicidal A's. Maybe they'll arrive soon?

Shyaaah. That might happen. And monkeys might fly outta my butt! :rolleyes:

The pitching on both sides was fantastic in that series. Personally, I think that's what made it such a great, great series. But it meant that neither side was able to generate much offense. The Sox ERA for the series was 2.77, holding the A's to a .213 average!! That's phenomenal. And the A's ERA was 2.75, holding the Sox to a .211 average. The difference was in the slugging. The Sox outslugged the A's .378 to .277 (collecting 68 total bases to the A's 51). So when the Sox were able to hit the A's pitchers, they made the most of their chances.

By the way, when Nomar recovered the ball in the outfield after the Damon/Jackson collision and threw the runner out at 2nd, did anybody get flashbacks of Jeter's amazing cut-off play (also in Oakland, I think) to nail the runner at home a couple years ago?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Uh-oh!
 

I think we did it. :)

:D



...game 3:

1. The A's did not know what every LL'er knows - how to execute a proper rundown
2. The A's did not know what every HS player knows - if you slide across home and the ump does nothing you missed the plate
3. The A's did not know what every first year rookie league player knows - if you think you have been obstructed keep running anyway, do NOT take this opportunity to stop & celebrate what you might not get.

No one south of that line from Milford to Albany. :p

BTW, have you heard if Damon's ready to play yet?

No question they squandered chances. But the Sox still had to take advantage of them.

No one south of that line from Milford to Albany. :p[/b][/quote]
You don't think so? I thought the parallel was pretty uncanny. Shortstop well out of normal playing range, alertly fields a ball that he would normally be nowhere near and throws out a runner who thought he had an easy base. Derek's play was obviously much more unusual and therefore memorable, but I thought it was an interesting bit of deja vu.

As of noon today, I read that no decision has been made on his return date yet. He had a "serious" concussion but no structural damage. (Thank goodness it was only his head. Why wasn't he wearing a mouthguard? ;) ) He stayed in an Oakland hospital overnight. I don't know when/if he'll fly to NY.

I also saw this on ESPN.com this morning:I have to admit that's the impression I got on watching it live, but I didn't think that it was done intentionally. It looked bad, but I didn't think it was done to be that kind of gesture. Kind of like when somebody uses the middle finger to point to something on the chalkboard. Did you get the impression that he was directing it toward the Oakland dugout?

Last thing. Not sure I can mention this here, but. . . oh, wait. This is the basketball forum, right? Oh, ok. The ECAC test just got posted on the website. Gonna print it up today. :)

Not a doctor,but I don't think that they recommend flying for people with severe concussions.He might have to wait a coupla days to get back to Boston if he's got a bad one.

Absolutely - 6 inches to the left, and the Red Sox would have finally atoned for the sins of B--- B------!

Red Sox have left Kim off the roster for the Yankee series; Damon is on the roster, so they must expect him to be ready by the weekend; and now, even Grady and Theo have buzz cuts!

That's terrible news for Yankee fans.

Upper Deck, baby!!! :D

And who says Manny doesn't run out ground balls?!?! :mad:

(I know I shouldn't taunt, but I'm gonna enjoy it while I can :) )

Wow. Don't know how long it'll last, but that was a lot of fun.

Interesting stat, Yankees are 6-1 in post-season series under Torre after losing Game 1.

Night all :)

Me and a whole buncha Boston sportswriters!:D If his dinger hadda hit the top of the wall instead of landing in the first row,he woulda had a single only.He was in his homerun trot on that one,and it barely went out.

Should be interesting this morning to read the papers to see who George is gonna fire.

Btw,tough to win when you're being out-hit,out-pitched,out-hustled and generally outplayed,isn't it?


[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 9th, 2003 at 05:19 AM]

That's not what I was talking about. I was talking about his infield hit (hence the words "ground balls" :) ) off Mussina's glove right before the Ortiz HR. If Mussina doesn't touch it, it's an easy play for Soriano. But Manny didn't assume anything and ran it out. So there.

I don't know what the deal was, but they were just teeing off on Moose. Everything was hit hard. (Not as hard as the Cubs were hitting last night, tho. WOW! :eek: ) Seemed like everything was hit on the button. Bernie's running catch probably wouldn't have been as dramatic a few years ago, don't you think? He's still good, and I'll take him over Damon, but he seems to have lost more than a little speed over the last 3 seasons, no?

Last thought, I haven't been over to the baseball forum, but what did you think of the Walker HR? Initially called foul by the RF ump, then over-ruled by the plate ump (who was also crew chief). I thought on replay that the ball missed the fan and hit the pole. Did you see it that way, or do I need to take off my fan-colored glasses? Either way, it didn't look good for the RF ump to get overruled by another ump who was 150 farther away from the play than he was.

Bernie's running catch probably wouldn't have been as dramatic a few years ago, don't you think? He's still good, and I'll take him over Damon, but he seems to have lost more than a little speed over the last 3 seasons, no?

Last thought, I haven't been over to the baseball forum, but what did you think of the Walker HR? Initially called foul by the RF ump, then over-ruled by the plate ump (who was also crew chief). I thought on replay that the ball missed the fan and hit the pole. Did you see it that way, or do I need to take off my fan-colored glasses? Either way, it didn't look good for the RF ump to get overruled by another ump who was 150 farther away from the play than he was. [/B][/QUOTE]I think that Bernie and Matsui might be changing positions next year. I think that Matsui can go get the ball a l'il bit better than Bernie now. Bernie <b>has</b> slowed down. Neither one of them has a good enough arm to play right field,imo.George is gonna have to buy a coupla them this winter.:D

I haven't looked at the forum either,but imo,it was a good call by the plate ump.The only thing that I have read was an early story in the NY Post that quoted Torre as saying that he couldn't really argue the call because the plate umpire told him that 3 other umpires agreed with him,and Torre said that that wasn't very good odds to continue arguing with.In any case,if they hadda called it foul,the final mighta been 4-2 BoSox instead. Best team on the night won.

Last thought, I haven't been over to the baseball forum, but what did you think of the Walker HR? Initially called foul by the RF ump, then over-ruled by the plate ump (who was also crew chief). I thought on replay that the ball missed the fan and hit the pole. Did you see it that way, or do I need to take off my fan-colored glasses? Either way, it didn't look good for the RF ump to get overruled by another ump who was 150 farther away from the play than he was. [/B][/QUOTE]
http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal..._hit_the_pole/

Yeah, when he could get the ball over the plate they hit him hard. Sox looked good last night, although I got my hopes up in the 8th.

Not a terrible game. Lowe didn't pitch too badly until right at the end. He just never seemed to find his groove. He pitched ok for a couple of batters, then left pitches over the plate to the next couple. He's definitely better at home. Sox end up with the split, which is what they needed to do.

My biggest gripe. How the [bleep] can you justify playing the theme music from The Natural for Nick Freakin' Johnson?!?! Are you kidding me? The Yankee radio announcer is obnoxious enough, but at least I don't have to listen to him. But to elevate Nick Johnson to the level of Roy Hobbs is insulting.

I'm *begging* Grady to reacquaint Damian Jackson's butt with the bench....something tells me that Jackson has a "Buckner moment" inside him just waiting to get out. Pleasseee Grady.....

Boy,he really hustled his butt off going to first on that litle pop-up that he hit to right last night,didn't he. Probably had to go change uniforms after that,'cause the the one he had on was so sweat-soaked from the effort.:D

Shhhhh.... :D

Walker should be back in today against Clemens, I would think. I think Grady was going for a RH batter against LHP Pettit. But I would rather have seen Walker out there. It's gonna be a fun one this afternoon! :)

It's gonna be a fun one this afternoon!
[/B][/QUOTE]Not a fun one at all!

Not a fun one at all! [/B][/QUOTE]

We learned something today: Pedro's a lot of talk until he's confronted by a 72 year old man. What a hero.

The game was pretty good. The extra stuff was embarrassing. On Zim's part too.

Personally,I can't figure out why Manny went nuts so quickly.I know that he expected to get thrown at, after what Pedro did. I also know that Clemens is a big an idiot as Pedro is(imo).I don't have too much use for either of those clowns, to be quite honest. I'd like to see both of them try their crap in the NL,where they gotta come up to the plate sometime.However,the high one that Clemens threw wasn't even tight. I watched the reply several times,and I swear that the pitch was over the plate.Inside,but still over the plate.

And a member of the field crew goes into the visiting bullpen and fights?

Should be some suspensions over this one,but I don't think that there will be. Just fines.

Btw,when was the last time that Pedro won a big game against the Yankees?:D

:To be continued: Another game to watch.

Yup,yup,and yup.

We learned something today: Pedro's a lot of talk until he's confronted by a 72 year old man. What a hero. [/B][/QUOTE]

I didn't see it, but could have Pedro attacked a body that had attacked him, or did he attack Zim?
mick

Not a fun one at all! [/B][/QUOTE]

Au, contraire my disappointed Bosux fans,I had a lovely time this afternoon. Gonna have another good time next game.

I didn't see it, but could have Pedro attacked a body that had attacked him, or did he attack Zim?

[/B][/QUOTE]Zimmer went right after Pedro. I dunno whatinthehell he was thinking about. Musta had a flashback to the 50's, or something. Of course,Zimmer does have a plate in his head from the beaning that ended his career, so I don't think he was too happy with Pedro when he threw at Garcia's head. Pedro,when Zimmer rushed him,basically then put both hands on Zimmer's head and dunked him. Apparently cut Zimmer's nose and his head when he did it. Then,near the end, a member of the BoSox ground crew went into the Yankee bullpen and got into a fight. Garcia hopped in,and cut his hand so bad that he had to leave the game.

YU.P.,just your average game.

I just read a preliminary story over on the Sports Illustrated website. Headline was "Clemens out-pitches and outclasses Martinez". That oughta keep things going.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 11th, 2003 at 08:57 PM]

Zimmer went right after Pedro. I dunno whatinthehell he was thinking about. Musta had a flashback to the 50's, or something. Of course,Zimmer does have a plate in his head from the beaning that ended his career, so I don't think he was too happy with Pedro when he threw at Garcia's head. Pedro,when Zimmer rushed him,basically then put both hands on Zimmer's head and dunked him. Apparently cut Zimmer's nose and his head when he did it. Then,near the end, a member of the BoSox ground crew went into the Yankee bullpen and got into a fight. Garcia hopped in,and cut his hand so bad that he had to leave the game.

YU.P.,just your average game.

I just read a preliminary story over on the Sports Illustrated website. Headline was "Clemens out-pitches and outclasses Martinez". That oughta keep things going.

[/B][/QUOTE]

That makes it sound like Pedro was reacting in self-defense and that Zimmer was a little over-emotional.

He expected to be thrown at, and then when he saw the pitch rising, he ducked slightly and I don't think he ever saw where the pitch actually ended up. I think he just assumed it was at his head.

Pedro did. Remember he came up thru the Dodgers and Expos systems.


I agree 100%


That goes beyond strange, and right to unbelievable. Unless I'd seen it, I'm not sure I really would believe that a member of the grounds crew would get into an altercation with a player. That's just crazy, even by Yankee/Red Sox standards.

That makes it sound like Pedro was reacting in self-defense and that Zimmer was a little over-emotional.
[/B][/QUOTE]Basically,I think that's probably a pretty fair statement. Some other..ah..slightly more virulent Yankee fans than myself might not agree with that though.There were quite a few people involved in this one who were over-emotional,but-hey-it's the play-offs. Pedro could possibly have been not quite <b>so</b> enthusiastic in protecting himself from the charge of a 200 year old man,though.Of course that's just my opinion. I'm sure that some of our BoSox fans might weigh in with a different opinion- as soon as they climb down off the ledge,untie the noose,or turn the gas off in the oven- whichever is applicable in their particular case.

Know your place.
 

If you do not want to get your butt kicked, do not attack men much younger and bigger than you are. I would have had not problem if Pedro slugged him dead in the face in that case. Zim got what he deserved. I bet he will think twice the next time he steps out that dugout to charge a player. ;)

Peace

That makes it sound like Pedro was reacting in self-defense and that Zimmer was a little over-emotional. [/B][/QUOTE]

Mmmmm, I dunno. As far as I'm concerned if you're 20 something (or even 40 something) and a 72 year old guy with 2 artificial knees and a steel plate in his head comes at you self defense begins and ends with stepping out of the way.

Unless you're a punk.

Basically,I think that's probably a pretty fair statement. Some other..ah..slightly more virulent Yankee fans than myself might not agree with that though.There were quite a few people involved in this one who were over-emotional,but-hey-it's the play-offs. Pedro could possibly have been not quite <b>so</b> enthusiastic in protecting himself from the charge of a 200 year old man,though.Of course that's just my opinion. I'm sure that some of our BoSox fans might weigh in with a different opinion- as soon as they climb down off the ledge,untie the noose,or turn the gas off in the oven- whichever is applicable in their particular case. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ya know what they say...if you can't beat 'em then bean 'em. Unless of course you get the opportunity to prove your manhood against a 72 year old. :rolleyes:

Ya know what they say...if you can't beat 'em then bean 'em.

[/B][/QUOTE]Here's one from Sports Illustrated.I pretty much agree with this one. The caption of the story is "Pedro the punk goes headhunting".
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...me3/index.html

Here's one on the bullpen brawl.We may never know what actually happened in this one.Both sides are blaming the other,and the hometown papers,when they come out,can probably be disregarded because of their natural bias.Bad scene,no matter what.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200...s.bullpenf.ap/

Of course,when I read the NY and Boston papers later when they come out,I'll probably wonder if they watched the same ball game.:D

I saw Zim's emotional statement on SportsCenter this morning. He showed why he's a class guy who is still valuable in the game. He played and coaches with passion, but when the emotion crossed the line, he admitted it and apologized. He's a stand-up guy.

I wish I heard a little of that from the Boston camp this morning. :(

Actually, that's not completely fair. Owner John Henry made some very classy and approprate comments. I should say that I wish I heard a little of it from the Boston dugout.

One more post to 3000, Chuck.

Make it a good one!!

Why should he change now? :rolleyes:

Edit: It's been brought to my attention that I might have used the wrong smiley here. Since I do not want to see Chuck's impression of Don Zimmer at his news conference I'll add this one:

;)

:p

[Edited by Dan_ref on Oct 13th, 2003 at 02:27 PM]

Don't know if the post is any good, but the game sure was. I'm kind of surprised nobody has mentioned it before now. No new comments from Dan or JR in the thread or in my email!

Anyway, Wake's knuckler was dancing, Trot flashed some power, Walker tried for Pesky Pole again (Walkah hits anothah mawnstah shawt! Theyah is a Gawd!! :) ), and the game was decided by a guy running out a grounder to stay out of a double play. Mussina pitched much better than in Game 1. After the absurdity of Game 3, this one was a real gem, I thought.

Anybody else notice that in the post-game interview, practically the fist words out of Wakefield's mouth were an apology for letting his emotions get away from him? I think everybody was told to play ball and be good boys.

Well, that's post number <font size = +4 color = red>3,000</font> for me, and I. . .am. . .outta here!

(Nothing like a 15- year-old SNL reference to make you feel old. I will now light myself on fire.)

I will now light myself on fire.

[/B][/QUOTE]Agree.

It was a great game, although I think THE major play of the game came in the first when Giambi lined out to first. Instead of 1-0, 2nd & 3rd with no outs NY had 2 outs with man on 2nd. Huge play. (And if you missed it the Sox got a lesson in how a major league rundown is supposed to work.)

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I will now light myself on fire.)

Not a bad idea.

[Edited by Dan_ref on Oct 14th, 2003 at 09:46 AM]

October 14, 2003
Our Way: Root and Hoot
By DAVID BROOKS

Last week I visited Tucson, and then flew back to attend a Yankees-Red Sox playoff game. It occurs to me that some of my friends in the Southwest may be watching the series on TV, and may be alarmed by some of the behavior they are seeing on the field and elsewhere. They may think it impolite to grab a 72-year-old man by the head and toss him to the ground, or throw hard objects at people's faces, or hold dueling press conferences calling each other names.

My friends should remember that the Yankees-Red Sox series is a contest between two Northeastern teams, and while the Northeast is no longer a particularly important region of the country — we haven't sent a person to the White House in 43 years — we do have a distinct way of doing things, which we cherish.

For example, while most people in the Southwest seek pleasure and avoid stress, we in the Northeast do not have that orientation. The place in their culture that is occupied by the concept "happiness" is occupied in our culture by the concept "cursing at each other."

So when you go to a game at Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park you will see lawyers, waiters and skinheads sending off enough testosterone vapors to menace the ozone layer. If a Martian came down and landed in the stands of a Yankees-Red Sox game, he would get the impression that human beings are 90 percent men and 10 percent women in tight T-shirts, and that we reproduce by loathing in groups.

It's interesting, for example, to turn and watch Yankee and Red Sox fans as they watch a game. As the game goes on, they almost never display pleasure, contentment or joy. Instead, during the game they experience long periods of contempt interrupted by short bursts of vindication.

If one of their players has just grounded out, they regard him with a gaze that suggests he has just betrayed his country. If he has hit a home run, they treat it as evidence that the pathetic bum on the field has finally lived up to the standard set by their superlative fandom. Then comes the taunting.

Some people claim that American men have trouble expressing their emotions. Not at Yankee Stadium or Fenway Park. Toward the end of the game I attended in the Bronx, when it was clear the Yankees were going to win, the Yankee partisans turned to their brethren from the Bay State to let them know which part of the anatomy they resemble.

They started chanting a two-syllable word to summarize this conclusion. First they chanted it in reference to the Red Sox fans. Then they chanted it in reference to the Red Sox players. Then they chanted it in reference to nothing, just for the aesthetic satisfaction of it. Art for art's sake.

And the really nice thing is that our players, who hail from across the world and rarely from the Northeast itself, often embrace our culture. The Red Sox pitcher Byung-Hyun Kim was recently booed by his own fans during player introductions at Fenway Park. In what can only be described as a sign of deep respect for local mores, he raised Boston's favorite finger.

Similarly, if you look at the Boston Red Sox batting helmets, you will see that they look like spittoons turned inside out. This is in homage to the Northeastern talent for scuzziness.

A few years ago some singers from the Pacific Northwest tried to pioneer something called grunge rock. But watching people from Washington State trying to appear grungy is like watching Norwegian kids try to rap. The effort is there, but the essence is missing.

We know that our region is not the future. Every year, people move out of the Northeast to Scottsdale and other places where it is considered fashionable to coordinate your toenail polish with the color scheme of your Lexus.

Those of us who are left here know we will never be happy. If God had meant for us to be happy, he would have had us born in Aspen. We know that every year the political center of gravity in this country moves farther south and west, because most voters do not appreciate the importance of sarcasm when selecting their leaders.

But at least in the era of our decline we have our internal feuds to sustain us. You may deprive us of our greatness, our honor, our very lives, but you will never take away our rage.



Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company

Chuck: Don't know why but your post shows up on my system as #3004 -- not 3000. Getting ready to watch the Yanks and Sox!!!!!!

Chuck: Don't know why but your post shows up on my system as #3004 -- not 3000.
[/B][/QUOTE]Chuck has made 4 posts since his 3000th. The total by his name automatically goes up with each post.

I'm heading for the tube too.

Would it kill you to use a smiley?!?!?!

You know him.
and You study.
Big boys
Don't need a Buddy.

Chuck?


http://213.239.157.21/smilies/animated/surrendering.gif

Yankees up 3 games to 2. :D

Manny broke my heart with the bases loaded. :(

Burkett goes tomorrow? Sigh.

<B><Font color = red size = 1/3> Go Sox! </Font></B>
mick

Sounds of Silence.
 

Wrigley field got real quiet in the 8th.
Marlins scored 8 and Cubs are up... finally.

Re: Sounds of Silence.
 

Speaking of the Babe's curse, didn't Babe Ruth hit that famous "called HR" during a WS game against the Cubs?

Yeah, my "pucker factor" was raised about 20 points when he was at bat. Whewwwwwww!

Wednesday, Top of the 9th, Sox-Yankees

What a rollercoaster!!

Well.

To have gone less than 7 would have been an injustice to both of these great teams. It would be a worthless cliche to follow the media and say this series is a war. This is not a war, this is a knife fight in a dark, dirty alley.

May the better team win tommorow, and they will.

NY vs Fla, NY in 5.

Upper deck, baby!! Again!!

My, oh, my! Obviously I'm a Sox fan, and really hoping they win one more. . . but isn't this just a great series for baseball in general? The games have been intense and fairly close. The margins of victory have been 3, 4, 1, 1, 2, and 3 runs in the respective games. Each team has scored 24 runs in the series. I just can't get over how engrossing every single game has been.

Tonight, Nomar finally contributes, Veritek and Nixon each hit monster shots, and the go-ahead run is walked in!

And tomorrow, Pedro and Roger square off again!!

BTW, was that Scott Williamson pitching the ninth, or Stu Miller?!?! (If anybody besides JR and mick get that reference without checking Google, they get a gold star :) )

Finally, despite the fun of sports, the real world continues to crowd in on the people of NYC. My sympathies to the victims of the ferry accident earlier today. :(

Really? My money's on Wood tonight.

Oops, just check the score. He's down by 3 already!!

Wood jacked one. Cool.

Don't need to check Google. Saw Miller pitch in person a few times. No resemblance at all to Williamson,if I remember right- physically or in pitching style. Miller was a little guy that threw nothing but junk. No fastball at all.Heckuva relief pitcher,though- back when they went 2/3/4 innings instead of 1.

Should be a good 'un,tomorrow. You know though,deep down,that they're gonna break your heart again,don't ya Chuck? :D

Cold, JR. Very cold.

There was some resemblance tonight. . . Remember Miller's most famous (infamous) moment?

Getting blown off the mound in an allstar game at Candlestick Park in San Fran? I remember seeing that. I also remember him coming back after that to strike out Mickey Mantle in the same game.

Amazing,isn't it? I can remember that,but I can't remember something that happened last week.:D

Yup, and with the wind gusting over 25 mph at the Stadium, Williamson almost got blown off the mound after one of his pitches tonight.

BTW, between "did it or didn't it hit the foul pole" and the strike zone tonight, when do you think we'll see Angel Hernandez work another post-season series? :eek:

BTW, between "did it or didn't it hit the foul pole" and the strike zone tonight, when do you think we'll see Angel Hernandez work another post-season series? :eek: [/B][/QUOTE]I think that it's safe to say that he was probably not the best choice to have the dish in a game of this magnitude. I'm also coming to the conclusion that it is now practically impossible to be thrown out of a playoff game, no matter what you do.

Was Hernandez that bad? I only saw the first three innings. I worked my first game of the season tonight. His zone seemed okay up to that point.

It is interesting that Hernandez was chosen as one of the worst umps in a players and coaches poll and Tim McCleland was rated as the best. McCleland has the dish tonight.

I was really PO'd by this time. Even my son's dog wouldn't come near me, and he rarely leaves my side when I see him. I think the defining moment was the 6th(?) inning when the Yankees had runners at 2nd and 3rd, 2 outs and Giambi at bat. First 2 pitches were balls, and he wound up striking out. Down hill after that.

:(

:)

A classic!

Never should have left Pedro in....

Awesome game, though!

Just like the Cubbies
 

Wait til next year!!!

HA, HA!!!

Peace

Ahhhh, it is good to be a life-long Yankee fan. Always have to make things interesting.

You know though,deep down,that they're gonna break your heart again,don't ya Chuck?

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<font size = +3 color = red>2003 Boston Red Sox</font>

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I was surprised Pedro came out to start the 8th.

I was surprised that Pedro was not lifted when Little came to the mound.

I wasn't surprised by anything after that.

You'll need to register, it's free and worth it.

http://www.nytimes.com/pages/sports/baseball/index.html

BTW, I heard someone on the radio this morning say the Babe's curse has been lifted but there's a new curse: Zim's curse.

Thanks Pedro.

...and something for you folks north of the Milford-Albany line to enjoy:

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/postcurse1.html

Big sigh of relief. Since I'm in Florida for the weekend, I will be a Marlins fan.

Of course it doesn't hurt that they beat the Evil Empire!

Yankees shoulda won- except for the fact that they were out-hit, out-pitched, out-defensed, out-hustled, out......

Geeze, $180 million just can't buy ya what it used to!

Congratulations to the Marlins- well-deserved CHAMPIONS!

Ah well, it coulda been worse...they could have lost to Boston. FWIW I have my theory as to why they let the lowly Marlins get by them: with all those hexes, curses & ghosts residing at the stadium none of them had any effect on the Marlins. So you'll be seeing some big changes this winter in the Bronx, starting with the announcement of a new VP of Voodoo reporting directly to the boss. As a first step look for a number of high priced prospects imported from the Carribean - mostly fat old ladies with experience in animal sacrifice and spirit conjuring.

Remember you read it here first.

Grady Little

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2002 - 2003

I can just imagine Grady standing at the blackboard writing

"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
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"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
"Pedro, give me the xxx ball"
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it's that stinkin' curse of the "B" ---

Bucky
Buckner
Boone

Do you mean:
Bucky F. Dent?
Billy F. Buckner?
Aaron F. Boone?

Isn't it amazing that they all have the same middle name? If you're not sure what that name is, just ask Chuck.

Let the bloodletting begin!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/200....ap/index.html

Byebye, Manny.

[Edited by Jurassic Referee on Oct 30th, 2003 at 02:51 AM]

Wow. I have to say, I don't understand that decision. JR, you say "buhbye, Manny", but who is really going to take him? His contract is so huge that it's highly probable that nobody's going to be willing to grab him off waivers. So he'll probably still be with the Sox on Saturday, and then what have you really done? All you've done is make him even more moody and less likely to want to play hard. I'm stumped. I'm an ardent Manny-supporter, and have been mocked for it. But I really don't get what Theo hopes to accomplish with this move.

Exactly! At $20M a year, even George isn't dumb enough to claim him. I had the same thoughts as you when I read the article. I was mystified why they they would do that.There's no upside to the move that I can think of.


PS- 14 pages and still rolling!

If this thread is still active on Opening Day 2004, then we'll really have accomplished something!!

I don't know what we'll have accomplished, but it'll be something!! :)

I just read yesterday that the waiver decision was made partly b/c Manny has expressed the desire to leave the team. Apparently, he's hoping the Yankees will want him; but he wants out, regardless. Supposedly, this is at least partly b/c he got along so well with Grady.