With about five minutes remaining in the first half a Kentucky player threw a pass that hit the rim and ricocheted near half court. Bogans grabbed the ball while standing near the division line. I could not tell if he stepped on it or not. If someone with TiVO or a VCR who taped the game could look at this and let us know I would be interested.
My belief is that if he did touch the line it is a backcourt violation because that was a pass not a try for goal that hit the rim.

Yeah - try selling that, especially with a shot clock reset.

Why did the shot clock reset? This clearly was not a shot. I also have no trouble "selling" a correct call.

Are you telling us that the shot clock operator didn't reset the shot clock when the ball hit the rim?

I don't know and I didn't tape the game, so I can't go check. Even if I had it, I doubt that the shot clock would be visible in the frame. If you see the play though, you'll agree it was a hard pass. If I were the shot clock operator, I wouldn't have reset it.

Hey, when you airball that 3 and it goes
 

and it goes into the waiting (good) hands of the big man, you say "It was a pass!", right?

Similarly, if someone throws a pass and it hits the rim, it's a shot. Not kidding. It is a shot, by the power invested in me by Zeus . . . it's gotta be in the Casebook somewhere . . .

Re: Hey, when you airball that 3 and it goes
 

No it's not. The rulebook is specific that the shot clock resets when a try for goal hits the rim. No kidding. ;)

You handle Zeus' investments? What's in his portfolio? Most people are merely "vested" with power from some governing authority. :D

Chuck

I'm interested in the answer to this . . .
 

A try is a matter of intent, as in when a player has a power outage and catches his/her own shot. But, if the ball hits the rim . . . this is a matter for the Casebook indeed. Does it simply, automatically become a shot by virtue of having hit the rim. I seem to remember that it does. (The result overrides the inference . . .) Anybody KNOW?

Yes, Chuck knows. He's already given you the answer. The shot clock resets when a shot hits the rim. It does not reset just becasue the ball hits the rim.

If you'll read below, you see a simliar post were the officials watched a replay and ruled a shot clock violation occurred even though the ball touched the rim because it was not a shot.

OK, BBall . . . true enough, if the ball
 

hits the rim as a result of loose-ballness (not a medical condition), etc., it's not a try, true enough. Hitting the rim is not automatically a shot. I am zee moron. I knew that. But there are hard cases, the alley oop is one. If someone oops it, the intended misses catching, and goes in, well, that's a goal. If it hits the basket, it's a judgement call? That's a tough one, especially when there are more and more guys flying at the basket willy-nilly all the time.

Re: OK, BBall . . . true enough, if the ball
 

Yes, it's a judgment call. Who said that it wasn't? If a pass goes in the basket, it counts but IT STILL ISN'T A TRY. But if an alley oops pass simply hits the rim, the shot clock isn't reset. The rule is clear. And yes, it's a judgment that has to be made.

Is Grape Nuts a venereal disease?

You couldn't just let it go, could you? ;)

Re: Re: OK, BBall . . . true enough, if the ball
 

OK - try this one. A1 jumps and throws a pass that would have gone past the rim. As he lets go of the ball, he is fouled while still in the air and the ball goes in the hoop. What would you rule?

By rule the ball is dead when the foul occurs. The player will only shoot free throws if the opponent is in the penalty.
That said, on the court this is really going to look like a shot. If it looks like a shot, I call it a shot and count it. We'll then shoot one.

In my post which started this thread, the pass clearly looked like a pass. It was fired on a line in the direction of the basket. And I still haven't heard from anyone, if Bogans touched the backcourt!

I had taped the game, so I went and looked at it.

A Kentucky pass (alley oop) hit the rim and bounced towards the centre line. A KU player tried to save it in the front court but stepped on the centre line. His save (weak pass) landed in the back court. Therefore, the official could have called a backcourt violation for either infractions. He did not. A Syracuse player then retrieved the ball and play continued from there. It was impossible to see if the shot clock was reset when it hit the rim. As mentioned here, it should not have reset.

Tossing the ball into the BC would not be a violation, unless he or a teammate then touched it there.

Please name the two infractions.

I stand corrected. Stepping on the line is a backcourt violation. But throwing it into the BC is not, I had not thought it through.

BTW, I did not want to criticize the official who did not make the BC call. I looked at it in slo-mo to determine that he stepped on the line to save the ball.

What I want to know is how players from 4 teams ended up on the court...;)

1. We've got a pass by a Kentucky player.

2. Kentucky played Marquette.

3. Then a Kansas (KU) player tries to save the ball before it goes into the backcourt.

4. Then from out of nowhere, a Syracuse player recovers the ball.

How did the refs miss this?

Isn't is a technical foul to have 4 teams on the court. If not, who would get the ball after a violation? ;)

I'm getting massacred here. Sorry, not Syracuse but Marquette.

What is the abbreviation for Kentucky? UK?

I'm just having a little fun. ;)

I knew what you meant. I happen to be a Kentucky fan. Having a little fun since my team got soundly beaten. (And no, I'm not a bandwagon fan....born there...been a fan for most of my life).

Yes, University of Kentucky is UK while University of Kansas is KU. Guess they're dyslexic in Kansas.


[Edited by Camron Rust on Mar 31st, 2003 at 07:30 PM]

Dyslexics of the world, untie!

Team typos aside, thank you for double checking. You have validated my starting this whole thread. Hopefully, there were a few people that learned that a backcourt violation can happen after the ball bounces off the rim!

PS The NCAA officials seem to be struggling with backcourt. Missed this one and called it erroneously in the TX/MS game.

Is this also dyslexic: untie vs unite? No, wait that's Bosux language,:D