As soon as Kansas either loses or wins the tourney, Doherty will be fired and Williams will take the Tar Heel job, a position he should have taken 3 years ago. That's the rumor in Carolina.

mick, I thought for sure I had jinxed your Spartans. :(

I am not so sure about that.
 

He is on that thin of ice? But you live in Tabacco road, you would know.

Peace

The AD has been meeting with the players, both collectively and individually over the past two days. Rumors are rampant of mass transfers.

As for Williams, he is less than enamored with the new Kansas AD. When he decided to stay 3 years ago, he had two freshmen on the team. Those freshmen are now seniors.

I question the situation simply because Doh was Roy's asst. at Kansas. The whole thing is a little sticky.

As I said earlier......
 

you are the one that is there. I am sure you here more than most of us around the country do. But I always hear that he will get one more year. But North Carolina folks are like UCLA folks, they do not like the NIT.

Peace

MD-MSU
 

Did that kid get a good look at the end or what?

What did you do now, Tony? Did you pick 'em?

Yep, I did. It's amazing they won!!

Cool !
 

That's a fun wagon to ride. :)

Well, half of the deed is done. Doherty resigned on Tuesday evening. He obviously felt like it was time to end it, for the good of the program. Tough time for him, I'm sure.

I guess well have to wait a week or two for the other shoe to fall. But most here in NC don't expect Roy Williams to turn the job down this time.

Tony,
Your information is even better than Vitale's! He only announced this news today. You beat the whole ESPN crew on this one.

Don't be so sure about Williams taking the job at UNC just quite yet, I was watching a program on FOX Sports, and Williams appeared as a guest on the program, and clearly stated that he is enjoying being the coach at Kansas, and would not waiver from that position.
I am going to going to say that Roy Williams is staying put at Kansas. I do not believe that Roy Williams is leaving Kansas.

Tony nailed it!!!
 

Tony,

I thought there was no way this would happen this year. But you got it right damn near perfectly.

It seems the issue was not coaching. It seemed like he had player's complaining with their parents. What is up with that? What was he doing or saying to them? Are we going to here about things Bobby Knight was accused of in Indiana?

Peace

Both of you are right on the UNC situation, you get parents involved, and you might as well kiss your coaching career at that particular school good by. For some reason, both at the high school level and college level, parents have that controlling nature that surfaces everytime the seas get a little rough.

Of course, that's what he said, his team is still playing. Remember the last time a big-time coach said he was leaving after the tournament? Bill Frieder at Michigan. What happened? Bye-bye Bill, and Steve Fisher runs the table.

I don't know if he'll go to UNC or not. My only point is that for now, in public, he still has to say "all the right things".

Different sport, but even the 49ers waited until after recruiting season to hire Erickson away from Washington State. You think Erickson told any of his recruits that he'd be taking the Niners job?

Chuck

You bring a very very valid point to the table Chuck. We will have to wait and see what happens after the Final Four is all over with.

Re: Tony nailed it!!!
 

No, nothing like that. No chokings, throwing chairs or threatening superiors. However Doherty, from day one, isolated himself. From firing office employee's to refusing to have Phil Ford as an assistant. He was at times unapproachable and overly intense. Throw into the mix that every year he was at UNC, he had players either leave the school via going transfer and/or turning pro. Add the on-court situation at the Duke game in Chapel Hill and the MASS DEFECTIONS that would have taken place if he had been retained.

I'll go on out on a limb and say it's a done deal. No deal has been signed but I feel sure a committment has been made. As Chuck pointed out, he hasn't said that he would not take the UNC job if offered. He simply keeps dodging the questions.

There were two reasons he stayed at Kansas in 2000. #1, Bob Fredericks, the former Kansas AD and longtime friend who talked Roy into staying three years ago, is gone and Roy is not at all happy with the present AD. #2, in 2000, Collison and Hinrich had just finished their freshman year. He had a committment to those two kids.

With all that, it's been widely rumored that Williams has admitted to Dean Smith that he made a mistake in not taking the job 3 years ago.

He won't make that same mistake again.

Kansas AD was fired today. What's the thinking now at UNC?

Chuck

IMHO, they obviously fired him to keep Williams at Kansas, no matter what the chancellor may say.

FACTS:

1- Smith met with Williams at his hotel after the Syracuse game. Williams said the job wasn't discussed.

2- Smith called Williams Tuesday night to tell him the the ob would be formally offered.

3- Dick Baddour called KU Wednesday morning to ask for permission to talk with Williams.

4- Wiliams cancelled his recruiting trip plans for Wednesday and Thursday.

5- He has been offered the job.

6- Bohl says Williams "crushed" him.

RUMORS:

1- There was a team meeting tonight at Allen Fieldhouse in Lawrence.

2- Williams is scheduled to fly to NC on Thursday

3- There is a press conference scheduled for tomorrow afternoon in Chapel Hill.

JUST ME:

I still think he's coming. I feel confident that the call from Smith on Tuesday night was to confirm that Roy would take the job if offered. I don't believe they would have offered him the job again unless he had assured Smith he would come.

Well, I told ya so!

HOW 'BOUT THEM HEELS!!!

UDAMAN!

BktBallRef
 

BktBallRef gets another call correct... Savvy Hoops knowledge, that boy from NC has....:D

Won't help you, still gotta play Duke twice a year. :D

As a Sixers fan, I'm relieved to hear that Williams took the job, because that means Coach Brown is staying put. But here's what I don't understand. Why would UNC rather have Williams than Brown? Brown said that if Dean asked him, he'd come. But Williams was their first choice? Maybe last time, when things were going well in Carolina, but now they are in turmoil and need to turn it around. That's Coach Brown's specialty.

I thought Coach Brown's specialty was NOT staying long enough at a university to unpack his suitcase (i.e. UCLA, Kansas).

Carolina got the man for them. If they want to take control of the ACC back, Coach Williams is the man to do it.

My question is, where if anywhere will Doherty land? Hopefully, he can show what he learned in the past three years and coach at the collegiate level again.

A quick question...the newspaper out here talked about Williams being upset and sad about the three HS kids he recruited who signed letters of intent to play for him at Kansas...can those kids back out of those letters of intent now that he has left, or are they locked into Kansas? If they do back out, are there penalties? Sorry, that's two questions...having a hard time counting today!

Some of the local sports radio guys here were saying that Doherty may need to take a second level D1 program, they mentioned Clemson or Minnesota, for a few years until the memory of his tantrum at UNC dies down....

It's sports talk radio, take it for what its worth

I didn't know Minnesota was up for grabs.

I'm no expert on NCAA regulations, but I believe if these three kids opt to transfer to another D1 school, they will need to sit out one year before they can play for the other school. They signed with a school, not a coach.

If they transfer to a D2, D3, or NAIA school, they do not forfeit a year of eligibility.

HA! I heard K is considering retiring after yesterday's announcement! :D

Larry Brown is 63 yers old. Williams is in his late 40's or early 50's. He'll coach at least another 15 to 20 years. And, I don't know if it weighed into their decision but Brown had short stays at UCLA and Kansas and both schools ended up on probation for things that occurred before he left. Personally, I would rather they go outside the "Carolina family" than hire Brown.

My understanding is that he is moving to Charlotte and will work in television next year before posibly returning to coaching the following year.

They have all signed letter of intent. Therefore, they are bound to Kansas, unless they choose an non-D1 school or sit out a year.

I heard the David Padgett's father was very unhappy, since Williams sat in their living room and told them he wasn't going anywhere. But what's one to do? Things happen.

Additional information, rocky. Padgett narrow hisa choices to Kansas and Carolina, before deciding that he wanted to play for Roy Williams. Padgett, and the other recruits, have these options.

1) Stay at Kansas
2) Transfer to Carolina (withdraw from his commitment) and have to sit out his first year at Carolina.
3) Transfer to Carolina (withdraw from his commitment) and not accept a scholarship his first year and pay his own way...in which then he could play his first year.
4) Kansas admission's office could deny him admissions and then he could play for Carolina his first year.
5)Transfer to a non-D1 school and play without sitting out.

Also, Kansas would have to signoff on any release from the letter of intent.

Info on Padgett:
Height: 6-11
Weight: 240
Position: Center
High School: Reno High School (Reno, NV)

Those of us in Reno who have had to officiate games involving the Padgetts (the father was the coach) think this couldn't have worked out better! Oh the Karma!!!

A bit of a pain, eh? :)

Thanks Tony...it just doesn't seem right to me that these coaches can break their contracts with schools and suffer no penalties, but players who signed to play for that coach - and we all know that's usually who they sign with (the coach, not the school) - get penalized if they try to get out of their contract...

From the text of the National Letter of Intent:

<i>19. If Coach Leaves. I understand that I have signed this NLI with the institution and not for a particular sport or individual. For example, if the coach leaves the institution or the sports program, I remain bound by the provisions of this NLI. </i>

Yeah, I get it...it still seems wrong that a coach can sit there and tell the kid and parents "Nope. I am not leaving", the kid signs to play for that coach - and again, it's the coaching staff who recruits and convinces the kid to come and play for them - and then when the coach leaves, the kid is stuck...who knows if the new Kansas coach will have the same coaching style, personality traits, game plans, etc., that attracteed that kid to play for the leaving coach...if the coach can break his/her contract and leave, why can't the players?