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Old Sat Mar 22, 2003, 11:04am
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I wonder if Nevadaref is really a basketball referee with comments like this.

Yup, let's pull Kitts' entire schedule. Better yet, let's not ever let him officiate ever again.

His crew made a mistake. It was made public and apparently all the powers-to-be were satisfied that Kitts was of the caliber to not let such a mistake happen again.

And that's all that matters.

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Old Sat Mar 22, 2003, 11:17am
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His crew made a mistake. It was made public and apparently all the powers-to-be were satisfied that Kitts was of the caliber to not let such a mistake happen again.

And that's all that matters.
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Old Sat Mar 22, 2003, 11:36am
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His crew made a mistake. It was made public and apparently all the powers-to-be were satisfied that Kitts was of the caliber to not let such a mistake happen again.

And that's all that matters.
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Old Sat Mar 22, 2003, 06:33pm
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Jeff,

If I were the Big East assignor, he and his partners would be done for the season. This was not just one mistake, it was one HUGE mistake!
I guess that's just ONE reason why you're not the Big East assignor. Come to think of it, you're not even a Big East official for that matter, are you?

I guess every game you worked was perfect this year, eh?
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Old Sat Mar 22, 2003, 06:48pm
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I guess that's just ONE reason why you're not the Big East assignor. Come to think of it, you're not even a Big East official for that matter, are you?

I guess every game you worked was perfect this year, eh?
Tony,

I should know my place. I cannot comment on D1 Officials, I am not one and neither are you. We should just let the D1 Officials be critical of each other. Come to think of it, that is just about everyone here.

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Old Sun Mar 23, 2003, 03:44am
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2003, 11:04am
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Kitts worked a second round game yesterday.

I hope we see him in New Orleans.

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Old Sun Mar 23, 2003, 12:27pm
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Let thee who has committed no error cast the first stone.

Come on people. One error should not define one's whole season.

If that was the case the tournament would have to be cancelled as there would be no refs "qualified " to be there.

Mistake was made, I bet it won't happen again in any of his games.

Great ref, get off his back. I believe he handled this sitch great.

Shows that he's not afraid to pull the trigger if needed.
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Old Sun Mar 23, 2003, 09:45pm
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Didn't Mike Kitts work the national championship last year (I believe Tony Green did also)? He must be doing something right...and if he happened to be on the baseline for the pass going in the hoop, then he must have been looking where he was supposed to be if he didn't see the ball go in the hoop.
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Old Mon Mar 24, 2003, 05:37pm
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I'm a couple of days late getting in on this one. I was staying with some friends that got me into officiating watching games and hanging out. We went to the Cincinnati website and found the game on their archives the next day. The announcer said something about knowing they were in trouble when the crew walked on to the floor. In the background you could faintly hear the NCAA officials telling him he was being removed for profane language. It was kind of interesting to listen to. I will say that we didn't hear any profanity, but the announcer was extrememly critical of the officials, even saying that he "told the audience at the beginning that the crew wasn't very good. We (there were 4 officials listening to it) felt that the second T on Huggins came a little quick considering the game situation.
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Old Mon Mar 24, 2003, 06:07pm
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We (there were 4 officials listening to it) felt that the second T on Huggins came a little quick considering the game situation.

I have held my tongue on this one because I am from Cincinnati and I am sure Kitts has forgotten more about officiating than I have even learned in my short career.

That said, IMHO, the push foul was missed and traveling was called. Bad call but every game, including even some of mine, has them

At that point, Coach Huggins was jumping and flapping his arms apparently attempting to defy gravity. Having watched a lot of their games, he gets a "little" excited. Next thing you know he's whacked twice and gone. We're talking 30 - 60 seconds max.

No Doubt the first T was earned. Doesnt anyone think the 2nd was too quick and probably wouldnt normally be called? I know it's not cool to talk about specific officials but I am curious to discuss the game management side on this so no offense intended to Mr. Kitts.

Things we don't know....

Does Kitts and Huggins have a history?

Did Huggins get in Kitts' ear in the first half?

Maybe Kitts is "By The Book" because of the 6 player deal.

Bottom line...better decision making and shot selection by UC in the last 5 minutes really made the difference in their loss and not the T's. Still, I wonder if he had it to do over again would Kitts slam the hammer again?

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Old Mon Mar 24, 2003, 06:43pm
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To start I did not see the game so I do not know if the second was too quick. But what I get, and correct me if I am wrong, is that he kept complaining.

Hello, the first T says you are out of line and you need to get control of yourself and SHUT UP. You lost the privilege to put forward your thoughts when you got a T. So if you keep it up, then you deserve what you get.

It seems that in basketball coaches get a T and it is OK to continue carping, complaining or having a temper tantrum. That to me is BS. They are suppose to be role models and beacons of the highest integrity and behaviour. The players demonstrate a lot more class than many coaches who stomp and storm on the sideline. NCAA needs to tell those babies to get a better grip on reality or they will be watching the game from the locker room. Sportsmanship takes priority over "game situation" in my HO. Mike Davis would have been gone the first instance he kept on crying after the first T. To he!! with let my partner give him the second one. give em an inch (2nd ref has to boot me) and they will take a mile (2nd ref is in another world so I can pretty much get away with anything short of profanity).

Officials need to do a better job of putting those jerks in their place a lot faster. That's my 2 cents.
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Old Mon Mar 24, 2003, 06:52pm
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I have held my tongue on this one because I am from Cincinnati .....
[/QUOTE]Did you use one hand,or did you need both?

Andy,I don't think that we'll ever know Kitts' thinking or rationale.We also don't know what instructions the crew got-r.e. maybe how their supervisor wanted the game handled.Obviously Huggins pushed the wrong buttons with him.Kitts is a fine official,and very experienced-and he's not noted for over-reacting as far as I know.We don't know Huggins' rationale for his behaviour,either.The only thing that really matters is that Kitts thought that Huggins' @ss shoulda been outa there-so it was!
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Old Mon Mar 24, 2003, 07:09pm
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I have held my tongue on this one because I am from Cincinnati .....
Did you use one hand,or did you need both?

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Hey man I am bilingual....so I used both! No wait....ambidexterous yeah...wait...Bidexterous? Ahh forget it.

No doubt Huggins pushes the envelope. He's missed several T's this season at least from my perspective. Good points on pre-game etc. I dont doubt Kitts is a good official and I'm not coming out against the 2nd T. It was an interesting game. High profile coach. Physical game. Quick Double T. Radio Announcer Ejection. Dunked ball after 3 point make. Lots of extras to think about. Game Management City.



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Old Mon Mar 24, 2003, 07:28pm
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I have held my tongue on this one because I am from Cincinnati .....
Did you use one hand,or did you need both?

Hey man I am bilingual....so I used both! No wait....ambidexterous yeah...wait...Bidexterous? Ahh forget it.
[/B][/QUOTE]The word that you are looking for is "bisexual". It means a person who wants to get sex,but unfortunately has to buy it! Nothing personal intended.

Btw,I don't think Huggins is too smart.Massive heart attack,and then go nuts like that?
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