This happened in our association on the last game of the season, boys freshman, 3 minutes left in the game and the visiting team is up by 16 points, when one of its players gets a breakaway and is intentionally fouled, hard I might add. Lines are cleared for the free throws when all of sudden the free thrower looks at the crowd and taunts them by pointing at the score board and pumping his fist. This of course brought out a very loud chorus of boo's from the fans. The shooter than proceeded to miss the free throw much to the delight of the fans. On the next atempt he repeated his antics and also took the ball in a globe trotter move and rolled it down one arm behind his head and into the other arm. At this point his coach stands up screaming he wants a time out. And the official grants it to him before the shot is away. The coach then will not allow this player to shoot the second shot, he says under no circumstances is he allowing that player back into the game. He even said if you want to T me go ahead, if you give the ball to my opponents thats okay too, but he is not comming back in!!
After a quick confrence the officials gave his team the ball since it was an intential foul, but they gave it to them at half court not at the spot nearest the foul.
I know there were mistakes here and they are obvious, but what about the "unshot" free throw?

[Edited by co2ice on Mar 20th, 2003 at 10:59 AM]

Freshman game? I would tell the coach to bring one of the benchwarmers in for the second shot & to keep the little Meadowlark Lemon on the bench. And then go as normal from there.

Doggonit, Dan. That's exactly what I was going to say! How do you do that?!?!

While I agree with the concept of getting it over with as posted above. I'm afraid I have to T-up "Meadowlark" on the first taunt, and if he still did it the second time...he's gone. That is clearly unsportsmanlike and should be nipped in the bud. If not, he will only get worse in his conduct.

As others have posted, let the coach bring in a sub and sit the little showoff on the bench. Too bad we don't have more coaches like this one. I might even allow this in a varsity game considering the situation and score (although I think I might just "T" the kid for unsportsmanlike instead). If anyone questioned me later, I'd just say it was "in the best interest of maintaining control."

Z

You could just say that he tripped and injured himself on the way back to the bench for the TO. :)

Seems pretty simple to me. Whack the kid the first time he taunts the crowd. He shoots free throws, we go to the other end and shoot the technical free throws and Team B gets the ball at half court. End of story. I don't care if it's a freshman game or not. There's no place for that in the game.

I think we're missing the point. The main question of this post is what should we do if a coach refuses to allow a player to shoot his second free throw for whatever reason, not what we would have done earlier in the sequence.

As we all know, by rule, unless the player is injured, he must make the attempt. Again, strictly by the rules, if the coach "stops the game" in this manner, it would be a forfeit.

Now, having said that, here's what I would do. I would tell the coach that, although I shared his disgust, the consequence of this particular action would result in a forfeit, and my suggestion would be to let him shoot the second shot, then take him out and do whatever you wanted to do to him (short of execution) after that. That way, I am not forced to declare a forfeit and the coach can still discipline the player.

And yeah, I think something should have been called earlier - at least a warning (unofficial) if nothing else.

Hey co2ice. good to know you are still around. Sorry I missed you at the purple palace. Worked the 4A semis (Box Elder and Orem). 3 years in a row that I got to the semis and can't seem to get a final. Bummer. It was great seeing/talking to you at Mtn Crest.

I agree with the others. Think about the sportsmanship speech we give at the start of every game...just punish the act. If the kid decides to do it again...throw his @$$ out. It is really as simple as that.

co2ice--to answer your question directly !!.The answer is very simple if you follow the rules. Following the timeout, use the resuming of play procedure, if the player (and he is still a player till substituted for-which you will not allow till the free throw sequence is completed) is not in the circle when you are ready to adminster the free throw, it is a violation after 10 seconds. Since this is the second free throw, end of free throw(s). Then coach can sub for the player (even though he has not yet returned to the court). You may in fact tell the coach what will happen ahead of time---after all, this is what he wants.

Great responses and thanks, this was not my game just one I heard about. HEY PADGETT: That picture of Gomer reminds me of the time Stripes evaluated me. P.S. I'm the tall one!!

Given a coach that was trying to do the right thing, I would certaily rattle my marbles to find some way to oblige him. I disagree that the only choice is let him shoot or forfeit.

If the coach wants him out that bad, you could agree with him, charge the flagrant T and give the other team the ball.

Also, you could advise the coach to have his team remain in the timeout huddle, administer the FT under the resuming play procedure by setting the ball on the FT line, and call a violation when it isn't taken within 10 seconds. If the shooter steps out there to take it...violation when he enters the circle.

We can certainly be creative enough to work with coach that is willing to give points and possesion to discipline bad behavior without going to a forfeit.

My first thought was use the resuming play procedure and call a free throw violation. I applaud the coach for addressing the behavior. I also have to criticize the officials for not.

With FIBA rules: "the referee shall have the power to make decisions on any point not specifically covered by these rules". Does this rule appear in your rulebooks too?

Isn't taunting a one-strike and you're out foul according to FED? Call it and toss him, then the coach gets his wish because the sub has to shoot the throws.

Adam

Taunting can either be normal T or a flagrant T,depending on how the official interprets the severity of the individual act.

Easy, then. The Meadowlark Lemon bit gets called a flagrant T. Kid's booted, sub shoots the last shot, and the other team gets two shots and the ball at half court.
Kid also gets to sit the next game.
Which brings up a question. Does he sit the first game of the next year? Does have to sit out a soph game?

Adam

Resuming Play Procedure
 

The coach wants a TO, right? Just tell the coach not to send the shooter back out, put the ball on the floor, and count to 10. You're legal and the coach gets his wish.

It's that simple.

In my rec league, we have some kids at the HS level who also ref for me. In the final weekend, I was visiting a lot of the gyms to check on the guys and see if they were having any problems. One of the refs, who also plays, was working two morning games, and had an afternoon game in which he was going to play and I was going to ref. He asked me that if anyone got ejected, would the penalty (missing the next game) get carried over to the following year.

I paused for a moment and then said, "only if it's you".

He laughed then, and later he played an excellent game. No - I didn't throw him out.