Faking Being Fouled

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

I have more often seen a three point shooter clearly fall to the ground in an attempt to draw a three point foul.

You are supported by rule (10.3.6 f) to give a T. Choosing to call anything else is not calling the rules as written.

I've seen the shooter lay down move more & more lately. Have you Td up players for this fool the referee attempt?
Not saying I wont, but to date I have whacked zero. Hey, if he wants to disadvantage his team... thats on him!

Long shot, long defensive rebound, fast break transition opportunity & I should whack the guy laying on the ground at the other end just as A5 is about to dunk because he faked being fouled?
I dont think we would last too long if we applied the rule this way.

People say there are no "always" or "automatics" in what we do. Technical fouls generally call themselves & must also fit the situation.

Futhermore, part of the game within the game is players trying to fool the referee, its their job.
Coaches are always trying to put doubt in our minds to get that next call(s), its their job.
They are ultimately trying to influence our decision everytime they whine about something, a T is warranted there, by rule. Again, I'm not going there.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by tref

I've seen the shooter lay down move more & more lately. Have you Td up players for this fool the referee attempt?
Not saying I wont, but to date I have whacked zero. Hey, if he wants to disadvantage his team... thats on him!

Long shot, long defensive rebound, fast break transition opportunity & I should whack the guy laying on the ground at the other end just as A5 is about to dunk because he faked being fouled?
I dont think we would last too long if we applied the rule this way.

People say there are no "always" or "automatics" in what we do. Technical fouls generally call themselves & must also fit the situation.

Futhermore, part of the game within the game is players trying to fool the referee, its their job.
Coaches are always trying to put doubt in our minds to get that next call(s), its their job.
They are ultimately trying to influence our decision everytime they whine about something, a T is warranted there, by rule. Again, I'm not going there.

Well said. And to the "right and dead" situation I agree, in the sense of game management and calling what fits. You can't fit a square peg into a triangular hole.

[Toren]

[QUOTE=tref;785199]I've seen the shooter lay down move more & more lately. Have you Td up players for this fool the referee attempt?
Not saying I wont, but to date I have whacked zero. Hey, if he wants to disadvantage his team... thats on him!

I had a play this summer in camp. Player A1 attempts a three point shot, he gets hit in his body by B1 as an airbourne shooter. I have a whistle, no doubt in my mind there's a foul here. I report. Coach B kind of says a little comment, not much. No dialogue.

A few possessions later, B1 is in the corner and shoots a fade away three point shot. A1 jumps at him but lands about 1 foot in front of B1 and is never close to contact. B1 lands on his butt and slides and looks at me with hands raised. I let it go and quite honestly never even thought about calling a T for faking. His coach goes crazy and comes onto the court about four feet and I give him a technical.

With this discussion, I'm wondering if me calling a T on B1 with the original faking, would have been warranted and would have shown Coach B that I am watching all players up, down and through their shot.

Camp evaluator says after the game, I went to watch the other game after you called that T because I knew you could handle your business and didn't really need me to watch anymore. I guess I took that as a compliment.

[tref]

Originally Posted by Toren

With this discussion, I'm wondering if me calling a T on B1 with the original faking, would have been warranted and would have shown Coach B that I am watching all players up, down and through their shot.

Camp evaluator says after the game, I went to watch the other game after you called that T because I knew you could handle your business and didn't really need me to watch anymore. I guess I took that as a compliment.

By the letter of the rule, you would've supported.
In a real game situation I'm staying away from this call.

The coach is always watching the flight of the ball, who cares what they "think." He heard the crash, saw his guy on the floor & wanted the same call on a play that was not similar.

Had you whacked B1, you still would have to whack the coach & probably twice

Dont trouble trouble... Dont go looking for trouble... It will find you!

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Toren

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B1 lands on his butt and slides and looks at me with hands raised

...that would get the "whack" way before the fake flop...IMO.

[RookieDude]

...also...in response to another thread...

here is a chance to use another "non-approved" signal...we've all seen it on a non called flop...

lifting your arms to the sky, as a preacher in church would do to signal his congregation to rise for the next hymm.

[NCHSAA]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...also...in response to another thread...

here is a chance to use another "non-approved" signal...we've all seen it on a non called flop...

lifting your arms to the sky, as a preacher in church would do to signal his congregation to rise for the next hymm.

Never seen this by this description. Any pictures?

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by NCHSAA

Never seen this by this description. Any pictures?

No pics...I don't think I've used this "mechanic"...but, I've seen some H.S. and college officials do the "waving to get up" mechanic when players are on the floor.

[APG]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

No pics...I don't think I've used this "mechanic"...but, I've seen some H.S. and college officials do the "waving to get up" mechanic when players are on the floor.

Watch an Ed Hightower game...you're bound to see it.